The cult of Horus

Does the cult of Horus prove that Christianity is false?

Some parallels between Horus and Jesus Christ:

1. Horus born of a virgin. <> Jesus born of a virgin.

2. The foster father of Horus was Seb or Seph. <> Jesus was fostered by Joseph.

3. Horus was of royal descent. <> Jesus was of royal descent.

4. Horus birth accompanied by three solar deities [star gazers] who followed by the morning star of Sirius bearing gifts.  <> Jesus birth accompanied by three wise men [Zoroastrian star gazers] who followed by a star “in the east” bearing gifts.

5. The birth of Horus announced by angels. <> The birth of Jesus announced by angels.

6. Herut tried to murder the infant Horus. <> Herod slaughtered every first born in an attempt to kill Jesus the forthcoming messiah.

7. Horus is baptized at age 30 by Anup the Baptiser at a river. <> Jesus is baptized at age 30 by John the Baptist at a river.

8. Horus resists temptation by the evil Sut [Sut was to be the precursor for the Hebrew Satan] on a high mountain. <> Jesus resists temptation by Satan on a high mountain.

9. Horus had 12 followers. <> Jesus had 12 disciples.

10. Horus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water. <> Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water.

11. Horus raised someone from the grave [his father Osiris] <> Jesus raised Lazarus [notice the name similarity] from the grave. Lazarus is short for Elasarus – the “us” on the end is romanized. Elasarus was derived from “El-Asar” which was the name given to Osiris. 

12. Horus was buried and resurrected in the city of Anu. <> The place Bethany mentioned in John was a derivative of the words “Bet” and “Anu” which translates “the house of Anu”. The ‘y’ on the end of bethany is interchangeable with the letter ‘u’.

13. Horus was killed by crucifixtion. <> Jesus was crucified.

14. Horus was accompanied by two thieves at the crucifixtion. <> Jesus was crucified with two thieves.

15. Horus was buried in a tomb at Anu. <> Jesus was buried in a tomb located in Bethany [Bet-Anu].

16. Horus was resurrected after 3 days. <> Jesus was “said” to resurrected after over a period of three days.

17. The resurrection of Horus was announced by three women. <> The resurrection of Jesus was announced by three women.

18. Horus was given the titel KRST which means “anointed one” <> Jesus was given the title Christ [Christos] meaning “anointed one”

horus, Lord of the sky

19. Horus was considered the Good Shepherd amongst other names identified as a falcon to watch over shepherds, flocks and other grazing cattle. <> Jesus was called the Good Shepherd amongst other names the same for Horus.

20. Horus is associated with fish and is linked with the star sign Pisces. <> Jesus is also associated with fish [and fishermen] and has Pisces as his star sign.

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  1. Now keep in mind I’m not saying you’re wrong here; I’m just saying that this doesn’t prove anything.

    But, just because a Horus mystery religion predates the birth and ministry of Jesus (or if you will, the beginnings of the first-century Christian religion) doesn’t prove that Christians appropriated Horus-worship.

    If Christianity is true, then Christ was God (or at least with God) from the beginning (John chapter 1). That means that Christ as a divine being actually predated his physical birth and his life as a human.

    Thus it is still possible that ancient prophets had all of this revealed to them (Abraham, Enoch, Jacob, whomever)- just because this knowledge didn;t make it into the Bible doesn;t mean it wasn;t there. The Bible itself mentions all kinds of lost books, and there’s no reason within the Bible to imagine that the Bible is the exclusive totality of God’s revelations to man.

    So if Noah, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob knew about Jesus (at least in some form or another as the prophesied Messiah who was to come) before he came, how hard is it to imagine that they imparted this knowledge to others and that knowledge became debased and corrputed over the centuries.

    If Christianity is true, then there’s no reason why Horus worshippers weren’t actually the ones “stealing” religious beliefs and mythological elements that had been revealed by prophecy.

    • but when were the first writings of noah ever mentioned on paper? im not talking about what the book of genesis says. i mean what evidence is there in writing that has been dated prior to the earliest writings of Horus?

      keep in mind that the story of Horus comes from Hieroglyphics that were dated prior to 3000 B.C.

      I am not religious nor am I closed minded. I am asking because I have been searching for writings that came before Horus and I cannot nor can anyone I have asked can produce any. All they produce are writings that came after the earliest writings of Horus or other Gods that are similar, that mention noah and abraham were around before but never anything in writing before 3000 bc

      I hope i made that clear. i know i repeated myself but wanted to clarify thoroughly.

  2. I agree with Kullervo. It is my belief that Jesus was known and talked about long before he was actually born. The story of Abraham being commanded to sacrifice Isaac seems to make this clear. God was going to sacrifice His son, and wanted Abraham to understand what that would feel like. In the end God didn’t make Abraham go through with it, but this was a type of things to come. I think the entire law of sacrifice in the Old Testiment was a shadow and type of the Christ.

    There’s more, of course, and it has filled novels. It all depends on if you want to believe because of logic and history or belief and faith. Faith tells me anything the Egyptians had was either a result of Hebrew influence or the general knowledge of the future coming of Christ. The Book of Mormon takes this tact in a very clear fashion and the Old Testiment seems to as well. The New Testiment lets us know as well, as mentioned in the previous post, that Jesus was from the beginning the Christ.

    I subscribe to the notion that everyone held the same, if not very similar beliefs that were eventually altered as people spread out. So, the Egyptians knew Christ, they just didn’t realize they did.

  3. wonderfull… it dont prove anything because those things are not for prove :)

    jesus himself learned with ancient egipt masters… and yes… its the ancient cult of hotus, osiris and isis that lives in the jesus story… but… a very bad version of the gloryous

    but when you have a church that isnt a church… what can we expect??

    wonderfull ideas here… nice to see ppl that can see..

    nice dreams for all the others

    nefera neferu nefertiti

  4. Old Testiment scriptures (that were originally written in Hebrew) attest to ONLY ONE TRUE GOD – “and no other before ME” (Read the book of Isaiah for example). While New Testiment scriptures – were at one point in time – interpreted into the Greek language (by a society long steeped in pagan religious practices).

    Coupled with the fact that – the word ‘christ’ itself was taken from its (original root) Greek translation -‘kristos.’ And the word -‘kristos’- was a term applied to the names of (many) pagan deities all throughout history. The word ‘kristos’ written in English as – christ – actually existed long before the birth of Jesus.

    So – you just have to wonder now don’t you?

    I mean – why would Jesus hold a title associated to a variety of false gods?

  5. By the way – I meant to add that you brought up some very valid points of interest.

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  9. [...] For an interesting comparison of the myths of Horus with the story of Jesus, see the blog Atheist Empire. [...]

  10. Hey!
    I’ve read all over the net about these “facts” about Horus’ life, though unfortunately I haven’t yet seen any evidence for the claims of these.
    Maybe you have! Please e-mail me where I could find the objective facts describing the life of Horus.

    Cause as a skeptic I wouldn’t want to lengthen lies.
    Nice blog by the way!

    • Hey! I too have not found any site describing the life of Horus, nothing describing anything that i can compare to anything.

      • So far, the best I’ve found that seems legitimate is by Acharya S (D.M. Murdock) called truthbeknown.com

  11. Quote: “Old Testiment scriptures (that were originally written in Hebrew) attest to ONLY ONE TRUE GOD – “and no other before ME” (Read the book of Isaiah for example).”

    This is true ^ , however, we also see “God” refered to as muliple persons throughout the old testament such as “we” and “us”.

    Quote: “While New Testiment scriptures – were at one point in time – interpreted into the Greek language (by a society long steeped in pagan religious practices).”

    This is not really true… The New Testament was written, not interpreted, by Christians who HAPPENED to be Greeks.

    Also, the fact that the Greek word Kristos has been applied to many Pagan dieties throughout history has no relevance to anything…. “Christ” was an annointed one, if that’s what he is, then that name is appropriate. Even the Bible says that there would be and will be many that call themselves by that title.
    Personally, I find it even more interesting that we all know who to think of (really) when someone says the word “Christ”…… kinda shows who that title really stuck too didn’t it?

  12. Can you provide bibliographical referense for your claims? Some of them are quite new to me. I am terribly fascinated by ‘ancient religion’, Horus specifically, and I find your website intriguing.
    Thank you.

  13. Do you have any evidence that the legend of Horus was created before Christianity and is not just a modern day myth meant to disprove it? I have read through this site and found no past references only been told to believe on blind faith that the myth of Horus existed before that of Jesus Christ.

    • Yet you believe on blind faith what is written in the Bible? Hmm… Oh well. If you’d like some real facts on the matter… try talking to someone who has a degree in history, ancient history, etc. Like myself. The ancient “religion” associated with Horus dates to long before the birth of Christianity. As I’m just happening upon this blog… I have no direct references available for you, but I’m sure if you look they won’t be hard to find (although I doubt that you’ll look, simply because the truth does hurt sometimes).

      • I am a non Christian Historian and the person above never said they were Christian so don’t jump to conclusion Jrock. secondly Christians do have a right to reference the bible because though I might not believe in it ‘Spiritually’ it is undoubtedly very historical. and I have studied Egyptian Theology for many years and many of these statements are very false Horus was never crucified however the mix up comes in the fact that in Egyptian writing he is pictured in the crucifixion pose but these simplly means the out streach of his had for he is the falcon with with hands streched out wide ( he is not the only egyption figure in this pose). His mother was not a virgin and she is the one who raised Osiris from the dead after his brother killed him so that she could have Horus. Lastly there is no proof to the three stars in the east.

      • I am a non Christian Historian and the person above never said they were Christian so don’t jump to conclusion Jrock. secondly Christians do have a right to reference the bible because though I might not believe in it ‘Spiritually’ it is undoubtedly very historical. and I have studied Egyptian Theology for many years and many of these statements are very false Horus was never crucified however the mix up comes in the fact that in Egyptian writing he is pictured in the crucifixion pose but these simply means the out stretch of his had for he is the falcon with with hands stretched out wide ( he is not the only Egyptian figure in this pose). His mother was not a virgin and she is the one who raised Osiris from the dead after his brother killed him so that she could have Horus. Lastly there is no proof to the three stars in the east.

  14. Horus is not a modern day myth. Egyptian mythology has been around longer than Christianity, at least any evidence that we have found shows it been around longer. We have as much proof of Horus as we do of Jesus. If you are asking if I have tablets in my book shelf? the answer is NO, I do not. However Egyptian mythology is as widely accepted as having existed as the bible, it’s just Christianity became widely accepted and had to be translated and mass produced for the masses that have accepted Christianity at true. One could argue that Christianity is older than Egyptian mythology, but nothing has been found to believe otherwise, so if you want actual proof then Horus came before Jesus, if you wish faith and that one day evidence will be found, then maybe one day it will. Here is a movie of 3 conspiracies, one involves the bible lie. http://zeitgeistmovie.com …..If you wish to watch it enjoy, but like everything don’t take it as gospel, it’s always best to research for yourself. also it will take about 10 minutes into the show before they start saying anything worthwhile, so be patient.

    • Zeitgeist dropped like a brick.

      In conclusion: Evidence of details for Horus is created between 1960 and 1990 AD.

      • This statement “Evidence of details for Horus is created between 1960 and 1990 AD.” is an outright lie.

        There where many people who researched Christianity and Egyptian Mythology before a Zeitgeist even existed. For example John H.C. Pippy and his book Egyptian Origin of the Book of Revelation.
        The book of Revelation(Written in A.D. 90 and was not added to the Bible until 390 A.D and the Council of Nicaea) is a straight plagiarism from the Egyptian book of the Dead. For example the so called Lake of fire/ second death. This punishment was Osiris punishment for those who committed the most of the 42 negative confessions. The ten commandments are nothing new.

        People it is time to let this work of fiction go. Only you are responsible for your own life.

  15. I would like to point out that I am not for or against the Bible. However I consider myself more scientific and the bible seems illogical to me. I will probably need proof to ever fully accept the bible.

  16. And excuse my errors of grammar, I noticed them after I hit submit.

  17. From my research on the subject this is what I found from the original list given:

    “1. Horus born of a virgin. Jesus born of a virgin.”

    -Not true. It was a miraculous birth but not nessecarily a virgin birth. Isis was impregnated by Osiris even though his penis was still missing after Seb killed him and scattered his remains…. hmmm sounds NOTHING like Jesus lol

    2. The foster father of Horus was Seb or Seph. Jesus was fostered by Joseph.

    -This is misleading. In all of the stories PREDATING Jesus, Seb was Horus’ Uncle but since he murdered His father he was Horus’ arch-nemesis. It was up to Horus to avenge his father… in no version ANYWHERE was Seb his “foster father”. Also Joseph was a mortal man while Seb was the god of the under world…

    3. Horus was of royal descent. Jesus was of royal descent.

    Jesus mortal descendant was of the bloodline of David- Horus had no mortal bloodline, technically, as he was never mortal- although all pharoahs traditionally saw themselves as horus incarnate. This is not really similar to Jesus.

    4. Horus birth accompanied by three solar deities [star gazers] who followed by the morning star of Sirius bearing gifts. Jesus birth accompanied by three wise men [Zoroastrian star gazers] who followed by a star “in the east” bearing gifts.

    First off- at least get your biblical facts right. The Bible says nothing of the number of wisemen nor anything of any “Zoroastrian star gazers”. Second of all, Horus was never visited by any soloar deities NOR was his birth ever heralded by any stars.

    5. The birth of Horus announced by angels. The birth of Jesus announced by angels.

    No it wasn’t. Only Jesus’ was and even then it was only to a few select people (Mary, Joseph, and the Shepherds)

    6. Herut tried to murder the infant Horus. Herod slaughtered every first born in an attempt to kill Jesus the forthcoming messiah.

    There was no Herut- it was his Evil Uncle Seb who wanted Him dead lest he avenge his father, Osiris.

    7. Horus is baptized at age 30 by Anup the Baptiser at a river. Jesus is baptized at age 30 by John the Baptist at a river.

    There never was any Anup the Baptiser nor was Horus ever baptised… this one was COMPLETELY fabricated

    8. Horus resists temptation by the evil Sut [Sut was to be the precursor for the Hebrew Satan] on a high mountain. Jesus resists temptation by Satan on a high mountain.

    Horus was never tempted by any Sut. And Sut was just another name for Seb in another version in the story. DUDE there is ALWAYS an evil guy or a nemisis or something along those lines. Seb is no more Satan than Lex Luthor is…

    9. Horus had 12 followers. Jesus had 12 disciples.

    10. Horus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water. Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water.

    11. Horus raised someone from the grave [his father Osiris] Jesus raised Lazarus [notice the name similarity] from the grave. Lazarus is short for Elasarus – the “us” on the end is romanized. Elasarus was derived from “El-Asar” which was the name given to Osiris.

    12. Horus was buried and resurrected in the city of Anu. The place Bethany mentioned in John was a derivative of the words “Bet” and “Anu” which translates “the house of Anu”. The ‘y’ on the end of bethany is interchangeable with the letter ‘u’.

    13. Horus was killed by crucifixtion. Jesus was crucified.

    14. Horus was accompanied by two thieves at the crucifixtion. Jesus was crucified with two thieves.

    15. Horus was buried in a tomb at Anu. Jesus was buried in a tomb located in Bethany [Bet-Anu].

    16. Horus was resurrected after 3 days. Jesus was “said” to resurrected after over a period of three days.

    17. The resurrection of Horus was announced by three women. The resurrection of Jesus was announced by three women.

    18. Horus was given the titel KRST which means “anointed one” Jesus was given the title Christ [Christos] meaning “anointed one”

    19. Horus was considered the Good Shepherd amongst other names identified as a falcon to watch over shepherds, flocks and other grazing cattle. Jesus was called the Good Shepherd amongst other names the same for Horus.

    20. Horus is associated with fish and is linked with the star sign Pisces. Jesus is also associated with fish [and fishermen] and has Pisces as his star sign.

  18. Oops I accidentally clicked on submit…. anyway moving on:

    9. Horus had 12 followers. Jesus had 12 disciples.

    -Horus had followers but in the stories it either says 10 or many. Never 12.

    10. Horus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water. Jesus performed miracles like healing the sick and walking on water.

    -Horus did no such thing, although even if he did- this would be assumed from a deity would it not? Deities must have SOME universal qualities.

    11. Horus raised someone from the grave [his father Osiris] Jesus raised Lazarus [notice the name similarity] from the grave. Lazarus is short for Elasarus – the “us” on the end is romanized. Elasarus was derived from “El-Asar” which was the name given to Osiris.

    There are no stories where Horus raises ANYONE from the dead. Osiris was pieced back together by Isis (Horus’ Mommy). However, in versions that post-date Christianity, the story of Horus sort of “evolves” him into his fathers place. He becomes the Sun god rather than the god of the sky like in the versions that predate Christianity, but this is worthless information to this cause…

    12. Horus was buried and resurrected in the city of Anu. The place Bethany mentioned in John was a derivative of the words “Bet” and “Anu” which translates “the house of Anu”. The ‘y’ on the end of bethany is interchangeable with the letter ‘u’.

    Horus never died let alone resurrected- only His father Osiris died. In one story that comes after Christianity, however, Seb wins the battle over Horus, but the Gods let him live.

    13. Horus was killed by crucifixtion. Jesus was crucified.

    Horus was never crucified in ANY version of the story. Romans invented crucifiction…

    14. Horus was accompanied by two thieves at the crucifixtion. Jesus was crucified with two thieves.

    Horus was never crucified…

    15. Horus was buried in a tomb at Anu. Jesus was buried in a tomb located in Bethany [Bet-Anu].

    Horus never died….

    16. Horus was resurrected after 3 days. Jesus was “said” to resurrected after over a period of three days.

    Horus never died…..

    17. The resurrection of Horus was announced by three women. The resurrection of Jesus was announced by three women.

    Horus never died….

    18. Horus was given the titel KRST which means “anointed one” Jesus was given the title Christ [Christos] meaning “anointed one”

    No such title was given to Horus. Horus was the God of the Sky anad later (after Christ) was given the title God of the Sun

    19. Horus was considered the Good Shepherd amongst other names identified as a falcon to watch over shepherds, flocks and other grazing cattle. Jesus was called the Good Shepherd amongst other names the same for Horus.

    Nope Horus was never given that title- he was identified as a falcon but because he was the God of the Sky

    20. Horus is associated with fish and is linked with the star sign Pisces. Jesus is also associated with fish [and fishermen] and has Pisces as his star sign.

    Horus was never associated with a fish… only a hawk and the sun (after Christ)

    If you’ve seen versions of these stories that i haven’t read, please let me know where to find them. I’ve read every story I could find in the library and I’ve read all stories from as many combinations of everything that has to do with Horus on the internet as I could find. The funny thing is that the only real parallels that I’ve seen are between the people who believe this crap. NONE OF THEM HAVE EVER READ A STORY WITH A GOOD PARALLEL IN IT. I have done research on other claims too- they are just as empty as Horus! Please….

  19. You really should do your research on this before making bogus claims. http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

  20. I’m assuming that you aren’t talking to me- considering that you just gave me the same website as the one I gave in one of my previous posts…

  21. Are there any original citations from Egyptian records pre-dating the New Testament to support these ideas?

  22. holy crap..I searched almost every wikipedia pages in languages I understand and found nothing that is claimed here..it is amazing how truth can be rubbished..I have many atheist friends, but they would never accept these lies..it’s against their honor..and I thought atheist prefers only real facts..this stinks

    • Not true. I am an atheist and I reject the Horus/Jesus comparison for much the same reasons as the poster above gave. It is poor scholarship and really not needed anyway. The internal contradictions within the NT are enough to refute any claim of truth in the gospels. I agree with you however, that atheists should be concerned with accurate scholarship and not simply accept any “evidence” that appears to refute Christianity’s claim to truth.

  23. so in fact is christian a copy of Horus’s cult?the idea that results from those comparation…or the Horus’s cult just copyed the Christian’s dates to make people believe that jesus is a copy of horus…i saw Zeitgeist a movie that explains that not only horus has the same dates like jesus but more other god’z like budha and more others

  24. Ok. Someone needs to school everyone in Egyptology. Go, all of you… to a Borders or Books-a-Million or whatever mainstream bookstore you can. Pick up a copy of the book of the dead, and LEARN. The image of Ra, Re,Ra-Amun, Horus, and Heru-ur as well as several other “names” were all derivatives of the same “god-king” ie. Solar Deity. Pharaohs in the First and Second Dynasty “mixed” cult lore with their own lineage to impose themselves as Gods (and the practice continued). This causes confusion because each dynasty changes details in the history of the cult. Egyptologists are as confused as you all are, and they have degrees in studying this era of history. Most scholars acknowledge one fact: THE BOOK OF THE DEAD didn’t change much. The best translation is the “Faulkner” translation, it is hieroglyph to English direct translation and makes this hogwash (Egyptian cult lineage) a lot easier to understand.

    There are 42(~) Deities in these ancient Egyptian cults that worshiped the multifaceted “Sun God”, Horus, Ra, Re, Heru-ur. He IS depicted as the “elder” as a falcon, but as HORUS himself, he is a falcon, with a head of the sun (not just his eye). This is symbolic of one of the most ancient symbols in history, the caduceus… A falcon (or bird) with outstretched wings, whose body is a Ball of light (or just a golden ball) that has a snake crawling (Seth, Seb, Se’Teth, Se’Tech) up and around him.

    Look in the book of the dead, you will see it. Spell 125, read the whole damn thing. Not only does it clearly explain a pre-dated “final judgment” concept, it also explains the means by which most other Mesopotamian religions created their moral codes.

    Remember people, Moses ~2150 BC, Abraham came 250 years before him. Egyptian Cults… came 500 years before Abraham. Even in the bible (OT) its clear that Egyptian culture (note this word) was already well developed. Look at the story of Joseph, Son of Jacob. He served the KING of Egypt, therefore a monarchy and a culture that supported that civilizational construct (which would, as far as EVERY OTHER CIVILIZATION IN HISTORY HAS PROVEN would necessitate a formal religion of some kind).

    All in all, Mesopotamian solar deities were quite common, and rightly so. There isn’t much else but dirt and sunlight in the desert. This is a list of Solar Deities:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Solar_gods

    They ALL have similarities with Jesus, and as they should… most of them predate Christianity by hundreds (or in the case of the Egyptian occult, 2600+ years).

    BTW, its completely asinine to suggest that Christianity didn’t have direct influences from other religions (it DID… Judaism, or worship of Elohim, aka Yahweh, the desert war-god of the sun). We atheists are just making that next step… and closing the loop of suggestion.

    A list of “Transference” characteristics from one person to another IS evident within the Bible too.
    Joseph (OT) had a miracle birth, Jesus did too.
    Jesus begins his ministry at 30, Joseph begins his ministry at 30.
    Joseph had 12 brothers, Jesus had 12 disciples.
    Brother Juda(h) sells Joseph for 20 pieces of silver…
    Disciple Juda(s) sells Jesus for 30 pieces of silver…

    WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND?? This happens in religions, if anything Christianity is the MOST multicultural religion to date. It took elements from MANY places. Which I am sure someone will put them together someday and publish a book, clearly outlining the truth of it.

  25. My mistake… the dates are roughly off…
    Abraham, is currently thought to have lived closer to 2100 BC, and Moses some 450-500 years after that. Which, ironically puts Moses in the 19th Dynasty of Egypt!! and that puts Abraham in the “First Intermediate Period”, almost seven dynasties AFTER the foundation of Egyptian occult.

  26. Hello, the parallels between Horus and Jesus Christ have been confermed by many people.

  27. this is the first thing i clicked on tonight out of boredom. i just wanted to bring up one little thing, every 2000 years or so there seems to be another major religion. who is to say wich is right and wrong? at one time horus or ra or whatever you wanna call him WAS jesus. not to mention almost every religion that predates judeo-christian ideas. people say that it is stupid to say that we are just here on a ball in a big open space. and i say mabey it is the most obvious answer. but what do i know? i can barely keep my eyes open.

  28. All pagan solar dieties have shared charactaristica with eachother, simply because, being SOLAR gods, they share a host of fundamental charactaristica.
    Horus and Jesus are just two of them. besides, every 2100 years or so, a new one will emerge from the same pool of charataristica, as we enter a new astrological era. currently, we are in the era of Pisces. This ends in about 150 years, if I recall even somewhat correctly.
    Besides, the Romans did NOT invent the cross, or the crucifiction. Its an old. . nay, Ancient, pagan symbol, representing the zodiac. If you doubt me, and I hope you do, gogo check for yourself. But not on the internet, please. its so full of. . rubbish.

  29. Oh, dammit. Too tired. Forgot to say that the reason I categorize Jesus with all the other pagan sungods is that that is basically what the personificational myth of jesus is. The cross on which “Jesus” was “killed” is the constellation “the cross”. Im not guessing here, Im playing the odds. Learn Historical method, and math. Will make it easier for you to seperate the propaganda from the shreds of “truth” or whatever thats out there ;D

  30. Hahahahaha. I just realized the only counters there are to any of the claims on this site are made by christians.

    Im sorry, but I cannot take the word of people who choose to believe at the expense of knowledge seriously.

    Think about it. There has never, ever, in the history of . . well. . in history, been produced any evidence whatsoever for claims of the existence of anything even remotely divine.

    Adding to that, more that just a handful of rather convincing professionals has more than once more or less substansiated their theories of religion being a manmade cognitive parasite.

    Im tired, and I babble and digress. Nevertheless, I would really like even just a shred of actual evidence – be that intellectual, in the form of logical, coherent, rational argumentation or physical, be that whatever it takes – for the existence of something, an entity or whatnot, that is resembling, even remotely, that which is labeled “the Divine” by worshippers.

  31. Well, as has been mentioned above at some point, the simplest and most obvious answer can normally serve as the most accurate. Not only can I not find any information to support Christianity or Jesus, either factual or rational, I cannot comprehend the need to believe in such a thing or, for that matter, any other religion. We have, as is mentioned in Zeitgeist, sadly drawn a huge distinction between humans and the ‘natural’ world which I comprehend equally badly. Logic requires that we understand ourselves to be animals, which we are, with only superficial differences from other animals. There is no rhyme or reason to suppose the existence of things ‘divine’. Religions were, on the whole, in my opinion, a way by which ancients–who had a very different understanding of the physical sciences–could come to an intellectual solution for the otherwise hard to explain physical and natural environment in which they lived and to which they were subjected.

    Books, such as the Bible, clearly then must be an attempt to rationalise what was not fully understood, coupled with an intended moral code. As we have seen in the Epic of Gilgamesh (strangely not mentioned above by name), a large body of ideologies are brought to play. These conceptual precepts are then, quite clearly, employed in other works, such as the Old Testament. It may well be that the later works are cribbed directly or indirectly from such earlier writings; that such previous and ancient mythology was inherited from the earlier texts directly or by tradition. Alternately, and the only other solution in my mind, it is possible that the human imagination has a universality to it and that, therefore, remarkably similar mythologies have been founded completely independently of each other. The last suggestion seems to be the very most unlikely.

    In conclusion, my thoughts are that a great deal of ancient mythological literature was produced and this literature can be studied to better understand the minds of the ancients and ourselves although none of it can logically be employed to explain the natural environment or be treated seriously as evidence of anything divine. It is not important, really, which came first, Horus or Christ, the chicken or the egg. It is equally unimportant whether or not one be a copy or off-shoot of the other. Far more important is the fact that they are all myths and ought to be understood to be such; most such myths being employed more for the political (and sometimes financial) gains of their proliferators. The falling of the colonial Roman Empire is a very good case in point, in that it must have been obvious to Constantine, for example, that capitalisation, rather than colonisation, was to be the only saving ‘grace’ of his kingdom. What better, than, but to sell Eternal Salvation? It certainly seem to have kept the Vatican fluid.

  32. hey :)
    its very point of view.
    Nice post.
    realy good post

    thx :-)

  33. I would like to impart a few words of advice to everyone. If your posts are filled with grammar mistakes and misspellings, someone like myself will totally dismiss them. Also, with no sources or references, your points have no validity to an intellectual who understands that anyone with a 3rd grade education can randomly invent facts and comparisons in attempt to prove their point of view. I’m not siding with anyone here. I’m simply trying to suggest that it’s fairly ignorant to assume that any scholar will blindly accept babble from random strangers on the internet.

  34. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus

    That link will adhere to his unmistakable likeness to Jesus Christ. I also agree with the previous post claiming that Jesus was a mix of a few other gods, I’m sure the person that created this myth had the luxury of choosing the characteristics of his god this being one of them.

  35. Isn’t it possible that an actual person, more likely named Joshua ben Joseph (or whatever the name) walked the walk and talked the talk of the ultimate Love of God (or whatever you want to call It) and how that Love is our ultimate salvation. I don’t go for the theist version of God or “Jesus” but it’s not far-fetched to think that after such a fully human person (as John Shelby Spong calls him (which is rare)) dies that legend begins to be applied and the Egyptian version fit the bill nicely for institutionalization/control reasons, make people think they are dependent on the authorities for access, in direct contradiction to what “Jesus” taught. It’s ashamed because the baby (the message of true Love) has too often been thrown out with the bath water (the mythology). Buddha had similar myths (walking on water, ascension, etc) applied but he still existed and his words still ring true. Instead of killing or worshipping the messenger we need to heed the message that has always existed, infinitely longer than 13.7 billion years ago.

  36. To Anonymous, and your September 11 comment at 17:51.

    While it is true that it is “ignorant to assume that any scholar will blindly accept babble”, especially “from random strangers on the internet”, it is also incredibly ignorant to assume that all of those listening to the, aforementioned, strangers on the internet babble, are scholars.

    Just because the grammar isn’t correct, or the opinion unquoted, doesn’t mean that the comment itself isn’t valid.

    You, Anonymous, are a jackass.

    Yours sincerely,
    The other Anonymous.

  37. To Anonymous with the October 23rd comment:

    “Just because the grammar isn’t correct, or the opinion unquoted, doesn’t mean that the comment itself isn’t valid.”

    Yeah, it pretty much does. Every discussion on any religious beliefs just turns into a huge rant with no references to back anything up. In a discussion like this, about a specific link between Horus and Jesus, any argument that the link does or doesn’t exist needs some kind of reference to back it up. Otherwise, what is the point?

  38. One of the tools of Satan is deception a distorter of truth. Keep in mind the OT for told many of the details of the coming of the Messiah.
    Yes, some details of the signs are given to all to see.
    The copycat deception has been around from the beginning and it is still going on today.
    Christ said: Who to you say I am ? (Matthew 16:15)
    This is a question every person has to work out on his
    own. The decision for this is not easy, but you have to
    take the time and do your own research.
    Reposting other peoples unsubstantiated claims will
    get you nowhere, this is about the essence of existence.

  39. “One of the tools of Satan is deception a distorter of truth.”

    With that thought, Jesus himself may be Satan deceiving you. Neither Jews nor Muslims believe Jesus to be any mesiah… maybe you have already bought into Satan’s deception.

    What a great desception that would be, eh?

  40. You can tell the tree by it’s fruit.
    If the fruit is good, who would you blame ?
    If the fruit is bad, who would you blame ?
    So, the tree identifies it self during the harvest.
    About the Jew and Muslims, neither did they
    believe in the prophets or the one who send them.
    They killed the prophets, because they did not
    want to hear the word.
    Do you want to hear the word ?

    • By it’s fruit? You’d have a difficult time backing the assertion that Christianity bears good fruit. It can and does with some people. But it carries a very heavy history of atrocities throughout its years that reveal a very dark side to it. Christianity was no blessing to any of the peoples or civilizations in the Western Hemisphere who were here before Columbus’ infamous journey. It’s the same story with every other major religion, particularly the three major religions born out of the Middle East. Look at the kind of fruit it’s bearing today – people denying basic scientific facts simply because they don’t back up their own “beliefs”. Or they take the next step and pretend that science actually backs up crazy stories like a 6,000 year old earth. And they concoct some insane stories to make the evidence fit the predetermined conclusions they need to justify their insanity. If God does exist, I’m sure he can handle a bunch of people going, “Oops, got that one wrong. But now we know better.” The teachings of Jesus are really of a different nature than physical science. And there’s no need for miracles to make them relevant. For all I care, he could have sunk to the bottom of the lake when he tried to walk on water. He didn’t have to heal the sick, raise the dead, or rise from the dead himself. All that showboat stuff does is obscure the essential teachings that can truly bear good fruit if one applies them to their own life.

  41. Well, let’s just stick to the facts: besides the bible, a book that propagates (!) Christianity, there is no physical evidence that Jesus ever existed. Ones religion only depends upon the place of your birth. If you were born in Japan or India (for example), you most likely would not believe in Jesus, period.

    Furthermore, as far as I’m aware, Isis was NOT a virgin and Horus was NOT cricified.

    In other words, both the story of Horus and the story of Jesus are most likely myths.

    And don’t tell me that there isn’t anyone who has a benefit in people believing these myths. History is full of examples.

  42. By the way, one thing that is certain: the new testament is not ONE book, it’s made up of many, many other writings. The church took out the parts they found most usefull and created the new testament, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!

    So wath a big part of this earth’s population unconditionally take as THE TRUTH, is actually a bundle of stories put together by MAN!

  43. This specific topic has interested me. A friend of mine mentioned it and so I’ve been researching this off and on for a few months. First I will admit that I haven’t spent a lot of time (a few hours here or there) and I’m no expert. I don’t have all the answers, nor will I ever.

    With that said I do have a few things to say to people researching this just like me and to those lazy bastards that seem to have all the answers. Face it; you will never have all the answers!!! Anyways, I keep hoping that someone from either side of the argument would list some books or other research material that is really good! But I always see the same thing on the internet. It frustrates the hell out of me when people use Wikipedia to give relevance to their research claims. It doesn’t matter what side you argue, stop using Wikipedia for answers. Wikipedia is open for anyone to make changes to the information. Colleges, Universities, Seminaries, etc. will not recognize sources from Wikipedia as a legitimate source of information. Why then should we? This makes your research look lazy and sloppy. I don’t want to waste my time listening or reading someone’s side if they use Wikipedia. I automatically see you as someone who is lazy and won’t put the time in to actually study. I don’t care what side you argue, or what you are arguing. How about looking at actual history books, maybe even some Greek to English, hieroglyph to English translations, or some other source that is reputable. This is the only way to actually get proper translations, history, and some of the answers. As for me I will never know all the answers, but I will always be “still searching, still desperate for answers.”

    • Here here..Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information…in fact think of the word soure, and resource…GO TO THE SOURCE..Learn cuniform,aramaic, Hebrew,Egyptian,Greek and Latin.read the original texts in the original language…erm..how do we check we have the correct meanings of these languages when all we have is the rosetta stone? There wasnt any cuniform on it was there…..

    • That’s a terrible misrepresentation of Wikipedia. No one can just go in and edit content. Articles go through peer review just like any other encyclopedia. And that review is all public If you have disagreements with what is being written, you can join in the discussion but you can’t just go in and edit willy-nilly. There are requirements for sourcing information and when it doesn’t exist, it is marked as such.

      When a topic is not well peer-reviewed, it is also marked as such. If you try to put out some bogus information out there, there are plenty of eyes that will be spot-checking you and calling you out on your BS. By the same token, why would you trust any book? Some critical thinking is required for any source of knowledge.

      Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia and it is a collective effort. One reason it can be considered reliable is that it is in the pubic domain with many eyes watching. When it comes to books and privately published encyclopedias, we have to trust that the authors voluntarily submitted their work to peer review. But what peers were chosen, and by whom? Some may choose not to be peer reviewed but would we know the difference?

      If you submit anything into Wikipedia, be damn sure you know what you’re talking about or it will be ripped to shreds by others who share your interest in the topic.

  44. oops the quote is “still searching, so desperate for answers” its from a song called “understand” by: Betrayed

  45. Check this out –

    Was Horus Crucified?
    http://stellarhousepublishing.com/washoruscrucified.html

    And Horus’ mother WAS a virgin.

    The rest of that stuff is answered by the same book in the link above.

  46. You should all take a moment and view Bill Maher’s ‘documentary’ – “Religulous”…

    I laughed my f-ing ass off. Especially when he made references to the very subject debated here.

    Seems to me that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are all quite the vlagrant plagerists…

    Taking care I would mention that in the Biblical ‘history’ of Judaism the descendants of Abraham lay claim to have descended from slavery out of Egypt…

    This just might explain why the jewish Man-God Jesus is so inherantly Horus-like.

    Perhaps a handful of some Jews got sick of shredding their cocks in a barbaric ritual and decided to resurrect the old stories of Horus in an effort to erradicate any future need for sacrifice… or maybe they did it so they could start working on Sundays w/o fear of capital punishment… that would give them greater opportunity for profit…

    Irregardless, it IS a recycled story… and the Jews DO have direct ties to it’s origins.

    To suggest otherwise only shows ones’ blind ignorance… aka ‘blind faith’

    lol

    (Christians are so goddamned gullible)

  47. Interesting debate. A lot of you argue that there is no evidence of Horus being born of a virgin. Maybe so but, do you have any proof of Jesus being born of a virgin? Of course not. We will never have proof either way. However, the facts that we do have speak for itself. Horus was/is a God born from two Gods Osiris and Isis. What proof is there of Jesus being the son of a God? None. Mary,mother of Jesus, was a clever woman, very clever indeed……

    • It saved her from getting stoned to death for getting pregnant out of wedlock. Poor young woman gets pregnant, can’t hide the fact anymore, so she tell’s Joseph it’s God’s baby. Joseph, being the loving guy that he is, believes her..or at least tells her he does. And they raise Jesus telling him from day one he’s really God’s son…his only son, as a matter fact… Jesus gets a God complex, takes up after Horus, talks to a few holy men, and starts a religion that infects the whole western world for a few thousand years. All because Mary couldn’t say who the real father was. Is that what you’re saying?

  48. Think about my last statement. Will be interesting to gt your feedback…

  49. Why has a such a strong stance been taken for those with disbelief in th bible are the ones who bare the burden of proof! Hey jesus freaks give me a link, siting, archeological find or SOMETHING!

    • Their proof is in a circular reference – the bible is the word of god, therefore it’s true. Why? Because the bible says so. Fundamentalist science is about looking for evidence to fit their conclusions. It’s backwards science. That’s why you’ll never get any links.

  50. Hey jesus freaks give me a link, siting, archeological find or SOMETHING!

    —————————————
    Hey AntiJesus freak, give me a link, siting, archeological find or SOMETHING!
    Please do not cite any further “The Da Vinchi Code” – it is a mystery fiction novel, guys, it is NOT TRUE!!!

  51. You guys all point to several books or quotations of different people. Think about it!! Anyone can write a book saying his theory on the matter. None of those references are acceptable!!!!! The bible? You can say has been written by men too! But in order to prove the accuracy and the trustfulness of it, you have to prove some sort of divine power behind it. If you can prove that, and it proved to be accurate in everything it says, than I can trust it. So than, why don’t you all study the prophesies of the Bible? (By the way, a real prophesy it’s different from simple prediction!!! A prophesy states dates, names, exact locations and so on. It accurate in every little details). History, objects, names, locations, dates etc… have showned that what the bible stated (sometimes over 200 years before) really happend. Look up for example the fall of Babilon (Sorry! I don’t know the english spelling) or many others. Remember too that archeologists more and more often refer to the bible for locations of ancient cities or buildings and … everything it’s there in the very spot where the bible said!! That’s how I came to belive that the bible it’s trustworthy. And as you keep finding you start to accept everything it says. As my last comment, the bible itself talks of faith in the letter to the hebrews 11:1 as somthing that requires proofs, an “evident demostration of realities”. So keep looking for those proofs!! ANY other book doesn’t have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and than, if the bible proves true, so it will be for it’s account about Jesus. Thank you

  52. Well, said lollo,
    If you want to see this concept of prophecy in action,
    read all the things which are occurring just in the last few
    years in the land of Israel.
    All these evens are foretold in the old and new testament.
    Watching TV now days is like the play by play of the
    prophesies.
    God is God and his agenda never changed, don’t be
    confused by what you see he told the believers what
    will accrue. Be of good spirit, your redemption draws near.
    All these things have to come to past and then comes the end.

    • You are simply nuts…

    • When you say that God is God you lose.
      This means that God can do whatever he wants with in or out of his nature and there is nothing you can do about it. God can betray you and verses like Numbers 23:19,Hebrews 7:21″ will not matter.

      Lucky God of the Abrahamic faiths is not real and is only man made fiction nothing more.

  53. I am Egyptian and there are somethings i would like to tell you about this myth. first the myth of Isis and Osiris and their son is huge and has many versions and cant be said in these few points. You must also know that this myth was taken by the Romans when they were in Egypt (they were affected so much by the new religion (Christianity) when it started spreading in Egypt) and they retold it in their own way. I don’t care what the writer of the book you read said, but Horus was not crucified according to the ancient Egyptian myth (crucifixion is a Roman invention for torturing people) there are a lot of details that exist in this myth and doesn’t mach the story of Jesus, and that maybe the writer did not mention because it would put his whole argument into question. I think i should say that : Isis, Osiris, neftis and, set,are four different gods and goddesses. the four of them are brothers and sisters. in a vision of the story Horus married his mother in similarity to the famous Greek tragedies. as you said Horus is a myth but Jesus is a real person that lived on earth, and his story has real solid evidences that you can see with your own eyes.

  54. most of these are demonstrably false by anyone with a brain
    crucifixion was not even invented until long after the egyptian myths were created
    horus’ father was osiris
    his mother was isis, and there is no reference to any variation of the name “mary” in egyptian myth
    most of the facts about horus are not found in ANY reputable versions of egyptian myth, including the crucifixion, the three kings at horus’ birth, the virgin birth, horus having 12 followers, being a teacher at twelve, being baptized at thirty (or at all), or pretty much any other point
    (by the way, am i the only one who finds it funny that number 16 shows skepticism that Jesus was resurrected, but not Horus, as if the author believes the egyptian myths? obvious evidence that most atheists are really just anti-christian as opposed to anti-religion)
    all of these “facts” are simply transparent attempts at defrauding christianity
    is it really plausible that people would have not pointed these out before? this would have been huge news whenever it came out if it had any validity. and before anyone goes on a rant about how the church must have suppressed the knowledge: information this big would have been too big to suppress, and even people at the beginning of the church would have pointed it out.
    if atheists REALLY seeked truth, they would do some research to see how false these claims are instead of just reading a blog online and immediately believing it

    • i was listening until you revealed your christian early life indoctrination there, too bad because you almost had a point…almost

  55. This reminds me of the early christian theologians debating how many angels can fit on the head of a pin..
    Surely we are either talking history or faith or Myth..In my lowly opinion as an inhabitant of spaceship eather for 52 years I have tried to indulge many kinds of belief systems in my feeble attempts to discover the truth..Here is my simple conclusion: faith: beleive either what you are told to beleive in by your parents or your culture, or dont. History: all history is jaded somewhat by whoever one the wars or had the power in their hands, more or less so…AS THERE IS NO RADIO CARBON DATING OF MYTH OR BELIEF..this discussion will go on endlessly with no firm conclusions ..so i agree with no one here whatsoever..make u p your own mind but yes..if it burns with a passion then read read read but more importantly THINK AND BE HUMAN…PUT YOURSELF INTO THE MIND OF AN EARLY HUMAN AND TRY TO IMAGINE WHAT YOU MIGHT BELEIVE GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF YOUR BIRTH…

  56. and i DO appologise for my poor spelling and CAPS LOCK..its 3 am im interested but tired out..old guy eh…

  57. Im off to my cave now to watch the fire slowly dim while i huddle up next to my warm mate…

  58. I was born of a virgin at least my mum swears she was a virgin…does that make me a god?

  59. Religion only divides people. There are so many more important values in modern civilization that those implied in ancient mythologies. Be free, let your mind be free, free your true feelings and be smart. The only God we should care of is called human kind and Earth nature and we are destroying them, we are destroying each other just because a few, A FEW powerful men want so. Forgive ignorance, others, and your own. Be smart. Wake up!

  60. Before I blurb, I must ask, did you really research Egyptian and Christian Mythology and put this together, or did you just go off an atheist website and copy these down?

    1. In both myths, “Virgin” means “young Woman” not person who has not had sex. In Egyptian mythis, Osiris had a fake weiner, giving that more credibility.

    2. Seb was the Earth God, not Seth, as that one guy said. I didn’t find a sorce saying he raised Horus

    3. Horus was directally from Osiris, while Jesus was many generations after David

    4. Jesus was accompanied by an unnamed number of wise men, but there were three gifts.

    5. Thoth, not Angels, announced the birth.

    6. Who is Herut?

    7. Anubis doesn’t baptize, and IDK what he did with Horus. Also, Citation needed.

    8. Set is Satan predescessor in that he was a follower of Ra/Yahweh, but was later demonized in texts. The real bad guy in Egyptian Mythology is Apep. Also, Horus didn’t “resist” he got into a brawl.

    11. Horus wasn’t born until after Osiris died I think.

    12. Citation Needed

    13. Crucifixtion in Egypt was simply being tied to a tree. It doesn’t really matter, since Crucifixtion was the roman’s way of killing people. Also, Citation needed

    16. They both were “said”. Also Citation needed

    15. Citation needed

    17. Citation Needed

    18. Citation Needed

    19 Sheep in Egyptian mythology are sheep. Sheep in Christian Mythology are Christians.

    20. Okay.

    Please respond, I am making a webcomic about the Egyptian Gods and want to get things right. I also heard that Jesus has more similarities with Hellenistic gods than Horus.

    I think that the Book of Vivifying the Soul Forever or Book of the dead would work as sources. Also Tales of Ancient Egypt by Roger Lancelyn Green

  61. I want to know where you got these facts from give me your reference….and just not just another site “claiming” the same thing. Show me a site that has readings or passages from some sort of book or glyphs that shows this. EVERY site iv read about horus shows that none of this is true. If you are to give facts you must back them up with references. THATS a fact.

  62. Zeitgeist dropped like a brick.

    In conclusion: Evidence of details for Horus is created between 1960 and 1990 AD.

    Thank You

  63. I realize the subject is Horus, But the plagiarism used by the Hebrews and early Church was not limited to Horus, which leaves good counterpoints for Christiandumb. They had a wealth of ancient myths in those early days to start their new religious B.S. and what they did afterwards,after using it,to hid their lying ass, was to burn all of it they could, for 300 years, at least, to make it their own. (Inter the “Dark Ages”). They didn’t get it all, but the bastards took a lot of knowledge from humanity in the process. Their Jesus is a nothing but a conglomeration of Horus,Zoroaster,Mithra,Buddha,Krishna,Melchizedek,Joshua,Joseph and other pagan myths

  64. I am sorry are there actually people citing Wikipedia as their source? Allow me to go on record as saying all parties here are mis-lead and incorrect on many subjects. My name is Fadil Al Massari and I am what will be referred to in many academic circles as an Associate Professor of Egyptology in Alexandria University.

    First allow me to say that all who question to whether a cult of Horus existed before Christianity the answer is most assuredly yes. Christianity is a very new religion barely two thousand years old. the Worship of Horus has been confirmed to have been worshiped as far back as five thousand years ago perhaps longer. There for Horus wins out in longevity thus far. Christianity , like Islam are both rooted in the Hebrew religion of Judaism. Evidence for the written word of Judaism goes back as far as three thousand five hundred years ago, again that shows us that the Egyptian worship of Horus and the others gods pre date the written Hebrew religion.

    Now allow us please to make a few academic assumptions, that all religions are made up partially of truth, partially of lies, and a good deal of hope.All religions take from one another to further their own cause, Christianity is most keen on this, by use of some of their modern concepts. One issue I am taking here is with the supposed divinity of Jesus birth. There is no written record prior to the Council of Nicea stating that Jesus was Born of a Virgin, nor that God was his father. This is know for fact to have been brought in at a much later date because uneducated pagan masses had begun to associate Jesus with their own deities and it was decided to allow this practice to continue in order to help conversions. We know this for fact. it is not disputed. Just because your church does not subscribe to this does not make it any less factual. Secondly Many of you seem to assume that because you have read a story of Horus on the internet or in a book that you must know every story of Horus there is. This is simple arrogance and ignorance. Like many stories from Antiquity there are many interpretations and yes in one version Horus is born of a Virgin mother, in another he is killed and chopped to pieces only to be put back together in three days and revived. Do not though think that this means the story of Jesus must come from Horus.

    This brings me to my next point, like any religion, there are arch types, universal story elements that allow us to feel a connection to the story and there for become attached to the story. We see the same thing around the world with mythological beasts. All over the world there are stories of Giants and Dragons. If we were to apply the same faith based logic as those who believe in any religion were to do then we would have to accept the fact that there are Dragons and Giants roaming the world or at least there were up until 100 years ago. yet we have never found any thing to support this what so ever. It is because these are universal ideas, we are after all human and the human mind while powerful is limited in its ability to create new ideas, we mainly just build upon older ideas.

    In essence my point to all of this is, it does not matter if Jesus is real, imagined, an amalgamation of deities or a complete fabrication it is all about faith. No amount of arguing will change the faithful, faith for all of its lack of reason is the one thing that all humans refuse to let go of once it has become infused in their psyche. For me personally through my research i o believe the Hebrew religion was greatly influenced by the cultures it came into contact with , the Egyptian, Samaritan, Babylonian ( there is and has been evidence for going on 50 years that originally the Jewish people had a Male and Female goddess instead of just one God figure). And through their encounters with these people it lead to some of the greatest teachings in religion and philosophy the world has ever known. However it has also lead to some o the worlds greatest bigotry as well.

    I thank you for allowing me the moment to share my thoughts on this subject. I feel it is extremely important for us to all share our ideas openly and with out bias, but at the same time we must be intelligent enough to listen to fact when it is presented and realize that we do not all have the answers and must learn from one another.

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  66. Mosses delIvered “Gods ppl from Egypt” they had been slaves for centuries… Why wud pharos go and steal a slaves religious beliefs?

  67. ecig forum…

    Christianity is based on Egyptian Myths – Jesus Christ is Horus, page 1…

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    thanks for the comment.the explanation below could be helpful.
    When the slider closed, the Qwerty add-on just adds a centimeter to the phone’s length.
    Refer the side view of the qwerty.the full body is actually a case to protect the phone and the slider rail starts from below the screen.So wont affect the antenna. In fact, it will remove the iphone 4 reception issues as apple is also offering the same kind of bumper case .With no offense to your idea, correct me if I am wrong- When you are talking about “the rubber keyboard” u refer to silicone keyboard which are generally flexible . Sure I can design that but it will be loppy kind of a thing and wont be steady. besides they have a very small life. and doesn’t even give a good feel to the user and wont blend very well with the Iphone.thanks a lot for your valuable feedback. Feel free to comment.|This a truly great post and may be one that you should followed up to see what happensA mate e-mailed this link the other day and I will be desperately hoping for your next write. Keep on on the perfect work.|Received your blog post via msn the other day and absolutely think its great. Keep up this fantastic work.|A truely remarkable idea! Would buy it as soon as it hits the market! Please let us know if and when this product becomes available!!!|Hi friend. My partner and i seriously enjoy the article as well as your current webpage all in all! Your posting is actually incredibly clearly composed as well as very easily understandable. The WP design is awesome as well! Would definitely be fantastic to learn where I are able obtain it. Please hold up the very good job. We need much more these types of web masters just like you on the internet and much less spammers. Excellent mate!|I like this design can you make one for the ipod touch? i see little modification to add a headset jack!|Any progress getting a patent or manufacturing? I can deal with the onscreen keyboard but my typing with a physical keyboard is SO much better. Would love a simple design like this or a landscape version which flips open and acts as a cover when closed.thanks!|I’ve been using Covenant Eyes for a couple of years on my laptops and desktops and have been very pleased. The iPhone app is pretty decent, although it’s (understandably) slower than Safari. The only other annoyance is that there’s no way to set it as your default browser, so if you click on a link in, for example, your email, it won’t automatically open Cov’t Eyes like it normally would with Safari; you have to copy and past the link instead. All in all though, the benefit of accountability far outweighs these minor bits, so I would definitely recommend this one.|I have had an iPhone since last February, but have just started using Instapaper (Pro) and GoodReader. The first is for reading longform web articles, like a NYT feature. It allows you to save them from your main computer or iPhone within any web browser for reading later, and then access them whenever. The autoscroll and night vision are excellet features I wish Apple and others would imitate. GoodReader allows me to download and read PDFs, much like the Kindle app, including full-length books. Both save your place if you’re interrupted. I wish I’d had both of these months ago.|A few more good apps (though I’m too lazy to provide links):|I’m using Pocket Informant Lite to get around the functionality issues with Google and the default iPhone calendar. It comes with great to do list options, too. I’m considering upgrading to the full version soon.|Thanks Andy. Have you had a chance to use the Olive Tree Bible app at all? Any thoughts on comparisons with the Logos app?|Garrett, I haven’t used the various Olive Tree apps because my understanding is that Logos can do everything they can and more (esp. if you use Logos 4) for free. I may be wrong on that.|Hi,
    I dealt with the issue of accountability specifically on my site here. It’s great to have the Covenant Eyes app though I haven’t tried the others. One big problem with internet accountability on the iPhone is that many of the apps have embedded browsers (i.e. push a button within the app and it opens an unmonitored version of the safari browser within the app). A porn addict can use the iPhone but must be very diligent to only install apps that do not allow browsing within them. This is now much easier with the CE and other dedicated browsers.|I have been using iPhone for 5 months. Switched to all Macs at home and church 1.5 yrs ago.
    Andy, thanks for the tip on Mint.
    Tim, thanks for tip on Simplenote.
    Re Dropbox, doesn’t Mobile Me do much of this?|Yes, Dragon dictation is awesome, as is it’s counterpart, Dragon Search. And the Accountability recommendations are great as well; glad to see some discussion in this area. I do wish that a solution existed akin to NetNanny on my Mac. Several apps do have embedded non-safari browsers (Facebook, Tweetdeck, and several of the File storage solutions and e-readers) and therefore are not affected by current solutions. I know this is an OS limitation. I wish apple would rate all apps that can possibly browse the web in a restrictable category. Anyone know if this is possible now?
    My wife clears my history files in Safari once a week(you can delete the entire history but not individual sites; so if the history is gone you have some explaining to do). This has worked for me for some time.|Andy, you have any problems with your case impeding the GPS functionality? Seems like when I had a case, it had a hard time locating the satellites.|Great post, Andy!
    You mentioned Dragon Dictation, which I really enjoy.
    I like Dragon Search tooi like how it pulls from several platforms at once.
    I would highly recommend Evernote. I love how it syncs with my laptop. Many times I’ll type a reminder out and place it in Evernote to reference later.
    A few others that I like are the Amazon Kindle app, the Livestrong app to track food consumption and exercise activity and the OpenTable app.
    My boys love the white board drawing apps.|Have you all tried the Mantis Sutdy Bible app.?|Wow, Andy… and others. What a post! Thanks for all the tips! I’m getting an iPhone as soon as I have a job (hoping to be able to afford a data plan).|Does anybody know of a good app for Greek and Hebrew flash cards on the iphone?|I highly recommend Byline. Its a flawless app for accessing and syncing with your Google Reader. I noticed you use your browser for that, but this is a superior app in my experience.|Great post and comments. Someone asked about flashcards, Bill Mounce has posted an announcement on his teknia.com website about an iPhone/Blackberry app called iFlipr. It’s a generic flashcard app that you can build decks for and then post them online for free … well, someone has done that for most if not all his material and even organized them by chapter.|Try “mental case” for flashcards. You pay a small fee for the app and then you can download all kinds of cards or put in your own. It works great and looks really good, too. There are all kinds of language cards in their database (flashcardexchange).|Hi Andy
    Really appreciate all your effort in providing the many resources that I found from you.
    Interested to know if you have an iPad and what you have found useful about it an iPad equivalent of your iPhone post?
    Thanks
    Christo Beetge|Angry Birds RULE! …also on the Nokia N900.|Downloaded ‘Angry Birds’ onto my iPhone a couple of days ago and when I began playing it tonight it froze and then my iPhone also froze. I turned it off and let it cool down but now the app won’t load at all. What next?|Hi Kate,I’ve had similar issues w/ other apps, but not Angry Birds. In my case, usually something got corrupted during the download or install process, and a simple delete/re-download did the trick. You could try this yourself. If you’ve never done this before, it will appear as if you are buying the app again, but don’t worry, once it starts downloading you will see a message that says something like “you already purchased this title, would you like to download it again”. After downloading it and letting it install you may want to power off/on your iPhone again. Please reply and let mw know if this fixes the issue. Thanks for visiting the site and Good luck!|The red bird in the top picture should be shown wearing a cape and bashing through that pig castle SUPER ANGRY BIRD|Reading this makes my deicsnios easier than taking candy from a baby.|i fucking love this game …… ray otero|crazy birds talks about the hundreds of levels. I bought the app for my IPhone, I only have 5 levels and the golden eggs. Where are the rest of the hundred levels they talk about|Ahhh, I think you are confusing the level packs with the actual levels themselves. Within each of those 5 level packs are 63, 42, 45, 45 and 48 levels respectively, for a total of almost 250 individual levels!|Although I bought this game I really regret|As much as I have enjoyed the original Angry Bird.. I never bought it.
    Again I downloaded FREE version of Angry Bird Space, but after 2 hours of playing it.. I caved in and bought one.
    The game was a keeper!|The bumper is a disaster. While I love the aesthetic, the fact that my expensive headphones can’t plug in through it is a deal killer. Also, neither of my cars’ ipod docks can plug into the iphone4 through the bumper.|Griffin Reveal Etch ($30) is the prettier sibling of theGriffin Reveal, a see-through case we reviewed last week. The Etch shares an identical rubber border, but in place|Top 20 Cases for the iPhone 3G Written by Alan. Posted on Thursday, June 18, 2009, at 7:53 am. Filed under iPhone 3G Cases, iPhone 3G S Cases, iPhone 3GS. Bookmark the permalink. Follow comments here with the RSS feed. Post a comment or leave a trackback.|Hi. I was just wondering if anyone had the otterbox defender or switcheasy capsule rebel and what they thought of it. love the help.|I have a switcheasy capsle rebelM for a iPhone 3gs and it is the best. I also suggest the vision clip2 it works great with the new capsle rebel|I had the defender and it was great. I dropped it many times and the phone was perfectly protected and it never got a scratch. I got rid of the case when I got rid of the iphone (stupid move). I now have a 3GS and will be getting the otterbox again.|Have a 3gs with the ottorbox. It does what it says the iphone rep at AT&T sold me on it when he chucked his iphone against a wall in the store and had me pick it up and check it out. GREAT case. My only 2 complaints are that its bulk (thickness not weight) keep it from plugging into most aftermarket docks. I have to take it out of the case in order to use a backup battery pack for it. The regular sync/charge cable works just fine though. Also the silent switch on the side is easily turned off, but turning it back on requires me to use a ballpoint pen to flip it. Other than that it’s wonderful.|I have the 3GS and with that, the otterbox defender series. It is amazing, definitely holding up to it’s name. I dropped it in the mall parking lot, a vehicle had to stop for me to get it ( haha ). My iPhone did amazing flips on that pavement. I assumed the worst, but when I picked it up, there wasn’t not only nothing done to the phone, but even the case itself was flawless. My otterbox is white, so I thought it would at least discolor it( but it didn’t:) The only complaint I have would be the built-in screen protector which due to static causes the film to stick to the screen.|My 3yr old daughter has an iPod touch and we have had the Invisible shield by ZAGG on it since day one, which was about a year ago. On top of that case we put a swiss mobility plastic case, which isn’t made anymore. You can imagine what your phone would look like if you gave it to a 3yr old and her dog. The invisible shield and case have stood up against the many tough times it has been dropped AND chewed on by both my daughter and the dog.
    I just sold my 2G iPhone which had a generic screen protector, did okay at keeping scratches off but the protector got nicked and scratched itself which was ugly. My daughters iPod screen protector still looks like the day I put it on.
    I also had the Macally Hard leather case over the entire body of the phone. The case is CRAP!! There is still a way for dirt, sand, and other foreign objects to get in between the case and the phone and scratch it. The metal backing also started to come off, which to me proves that the case did nothing to protect my phone. It actua|lly probably made it worse.
    I am waiting for my new 3GS to come in the mail, meanwhile I’m going to order the ZAGG and possibly the otterbox defender.|The IvySkin Quattro-T1 is the best all around case I have used. It is one of the only cases that has a protective glass screen protector. Other than the obvious areas, it is almost completely covered and adds almost nothing to the dimensions. That case coupled with the belt clip accessory is by far my choice.|Who in the world would buy an iPod for a three yr old?|- #9 by VEN on February 20th, 2010|LOL for real….What a waste of a new phone lol|I have the otter box it is the best case in the whole wide world nothing can beat it its great|Quote VENWho in the world would buy an iPod for a three yr old?|i have more apps on my iphone for my 3 yr old then me……|I totally agree, I had to buy an iPod Touch for my 5 and 2 year old so they would leave my iPhone alone. They have more apps than I do! (Educational ones, of course ;) )|I have had my otterbox defender for a while now. I do love that it protects it like it says it does. The only problem is that it makes the phone way to bulky. I also had the problem with the screen protector sticking. I switched from a regular screen protector to one that is non glare. That solved the problem and I loved this screen protector much betterType your comment here
    K :|I absolutely LOVE my Otterbox!!! I really liked my thin case I had because it wasn’t so bulky and was a lot lighter. But I am glad I switched back to my Otterbox. A few days after switching, I dropped my phone at least 5 times during the week chasing after a 2 year old! And I too, had the problem with “oil slicks” on my screen until I changed my screen protector to a non-glare type. It is so worth the money and a lot less than replacing my phone!|I personally own an otter box defender and although it is a great case the size is definitely a down fall. You can throw it drop it bump it slide it and it even allows your phone to come in contact with water for a short period of time, although I wouldn’t recommend it. Even though I love the otter box I am looking to buy the switcheasy neocapsule so any current owner feedback would be extremely helpful!|the .m4r file does not get transferred as a ringtone, it is in the “Music” folder of iTunes. I double checked all original song clips (and copies) were deleted. Any guidance?|this may sound crazy, but i’m new to this, and it worked fine until step #17, because i don’t know where the files are stored! and this doesn’t tell me how to find the files . . . can you help?|Great step-by-step, but when I created my AAC version, the file was generated but played no sound. Any ideas??|the image at 24. kinda freaked me out…I couldn’t figure out how you knew my name was Alan..then I realised YOUR name is Alan! Thanks, Alan.|This worked! I LOVE making ringtones!,! Thank thank thank u!!,|Same problem as #20. Only have the original and the m4r version, yet it wont transfer to ringtones’. Gutted!|i see a couple other people seem to have this problem, but i don’t see a solution: i followed all the steps, deleted the original aac file, i have a ringtones tab and i can see the ringtone in it on itunes, but when i go into the settings on my phone it’s not showing as a ringtone option :( i’m using the 3gs, any ideas?|my comp wont let me copy the file. even if i use the control c.any ideas?|It appears in iTunes as if it is on the iPhone but i don’t know how to find it in the device itself|Thanks for the great steps…I am having the same problem as Amanda (#28)…I see it in my iPhone ringtones folder but it isnt showing up on my iPhone 3gs….Been at this for 3 days now!! Really want my ringtones back!! Thanks!!|I’ve been using this for awhile with no problems and recommended to many others. I recently noticed, with all the syncing I’m doing between several other Apple products, I’ve lost the full version of the songs that I turned into Ringtones. I’m changing the artist and album name of the Ringtone to see if that solves the problem. I’m uploading the full versions that I have on CD, but have lost the music that I had purchased. Is it me or is this a new glitch? Thanks|Does not work for m4p songs? Is there a way to convert to m4a so that I can create an AAC version?|Thanks mate. Just what I was looking for…|I followed the instructions to a T. Deleted the AAC version before moving back to itunes for the ringtones but it doesn’t appear in ringtones. goes right back into the library with the full version of the song.|One of my problems is that I see that the ext is m4a and not m4r. I don’t know where to find the option to change the ext. I’ve tried re-naming and it ends up being …m4a.m4r. a double ext so to speak.|NEVERMINDI played around and found what I needed and it’s finally working!!!! Thank you so much for your wonderful instructions and visual aids!!|credits to: Arf of The iPhoneTweet Categories: iPhone How-to & Tutorial Tags: iTunes, Mac,|hmm. this wasnt working for me so i was following the instructions on troubleshooting. when i drag the ringtone to the iphone it does not show up in ringtones, only on the music tab. sorry new to this and confused. would welcome help! thanks|THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!! I really appreciate your effort!|I got as far as it showing up as music on my IPhone4 but not in the settings, ringtones until I went back to iTunes, right clicked on the ringtone in the ringtone folder and chose consolidate. Re-synched and boom there it was in the settings, ringtones.|So frustrated, I see that everyone has had good luck and I am going over and over the steps and when I sync, it does not show up in ringtones. I have renamed it, it is only 15 sec, it is a m4.r file. I have a iphone 4s, is maybe the 4s having trouble with these steps. ugh.. I have been at this all day|Me thinks it’s now broken or fixed…I’ve used this method several times before, but after numerous attempts to create a ringer, i’ve had no luck. FML…|Scratch that, i just figured out that Windows 7 wasn’t displaying the file extensions and i had to manually enable that before i could create a ringer. Hope this helps some ppl.|Yes! Thank you so much for making this incredibly easy!|Hey thanks alot for the guide.
    An easy question requiers such a hard answer… helped allot keep it up dude|AWESOME!! Thank you so much for this!! Great detail for both mac and windows. Keep up the good work!|I was able to change my clip to m4r and I successfully deleted the other one, im having trouble “adding file to itunes” I go to add to library and I see all my other music including my short file and all my reg music is there but the short clip is in a different shade and im not able to select it. ugh Im so frustrated this is not working for me!!|I skimmed through the question and didn’t find one similar to mine. I went through all the steps successfully but each time I tried to sync it to my iPhone, I was told it was too long?!! Each song was 20 seconds or less. Someone please help!|can not get this to work since i have updated to 5.10 op?? Maybe yall can give me some insight into what might work now.|I have a Mac, but not an iPhone. Does this work for use on an Android phone?
    Thanks!!|These instructions could work for Android if you didn’t turn the clip into an m4r, but rather an mp3 (Android doesn’t support m4r ringtones). So in Step 6, you’d select MP3 encoder instead of AAC. Then ignore the steps where you change the file types into m4r. However, please note that because Android phones are all different, getting the ringtone onto whatever type of Android phone you have could be challenging.|doesn’t work. my itunes (on my mac) does not have a “ringtones” listed in the library and I can not drag and drop between multiple windows so none of the troubleshooting options are viable. it appears that some vital steps are missing.|I got the file made, but I cannot get it into the ringtones, when I import it back into iTunes it goes into the music folder…I did delete the original AAC version from my iTunes library…|Got there in the end, but after much cursing and fiddling. The song I chose isn’t very loud. I noticed an option to increase the volume of the music when doing the AAC thing but it’s still not LOUD enough. Anything else I can do to increase the volume level of the song. Phone ringer volume is on full as well. Or is it just a case of the levels the song was originally recorded at?|I get up to step 25. I dont have a tones or ringtones bar. Help|Sara, make sure Ringtones are showing in iTunes. In iTunes, go to Preferences >General and in the “Show” section, make sure the checkbox next to Ringtones is checked.|Step by step instruction in plain English and clear illustrations.|all of those things are checked and they show up on the left side bar but dont have any options when you click on them.|Thanks for this guide, worked perfectly! It’s only my second day with my new iPhone 4 (switched from Android), so I’m still feeling a little lost. Luckily, this guide is spot on. Thanks so much…I simply do not pay for ringtones. :-)|thanks
    i got close but no ringtone’ list on the itune listing. i guess it does not open up the folder unless you firs BUY a ring tone. Why is it so complicated/ it was easy with my old non smart phone.
    oh well
    i’ll try again later.|followed the step by step guide, the ring tone shows up in the ringtones on my iphone 4s, once it is set as a ringtone it wont ring?|Thanks! I followed the easy instructions and now I have a customized ringtone! Love it! :)|3gs here….cannot copy & paste to music folder….(step 18). :(|I’m stuck on step 19 :( my itunes does not give an option for Tools or Organize…any suggestions?|Other so called or claimed wizzos explain how to put custom ringtone onto iphone 4s but it never works. I’ve spent hours getting info, creating I don’t know how many ACC files, dragging and dropping everything but a tray of coffee and it still doesn’t work. But this site worked first time. Outstanding and if the owner of this site reads this I would like to say THANK YOU.|I have done everything you have said and my iphone will not give me the option of setting it as a ringtone.
    It shows up in the music and everything i just can’t get it to appear in the list of options.|I am having trouble with step 19. I am a mac user, could you please help?! thanks you :)|Im having trouble with step 25. there just simply isnt any section called ringtones at all.|This might sound really dumb, but is there anyway to save the ringtone to send to a non iPhone? I don’t have one, but all my ringtones suck and I really don’t want to buy any because I’m super cheap haha.|I’m having trouble with step 19, where do I find the song on my computer???|absolutely spot on……..perfect step by step instructions. Thank You!!!!!|When I get to the step for creating the AAc version, the option is grayed out under Advanced. I can’t select it?|Having problem with step 22…. it will not import the .m4r file into iTunes so it doesn’t show up in library. Also step 25…. tones or ringtones does NOT show up anywhere in iTunes. SO FRUSTRATED!|Having problems with step 22… .m4r file will NOT import into iTunes. I have done it exactly step by step according to this tutorial multiple times! It wont import! Also, Ringtones or Tones doesn’t show up ANYWHERE on my itunes. So FRUSTRATED!|How to delete ringtones after loading them onto your iphone this way? cant find a way?|So great. I wish all instructions were as accurate and this easy to follow.|What if i don’t see the iTunes menu at the top, or left side of the File menu???|After reading loads of forums and lists of instructions, these were clear and and accurate. Brilliant. Thanks|Step 25? There is no ringtone or tone button on my itunes. :/ Nor is there one in the sidebar. Please help :)|Great, great , great job mate. well done & thanks|It appears that the iPhone 4 can only be charged with the regular Apple charger and you cannot use portable or stand up type chargers with this phone. Anyone have a solution?|Will this case work with the iphone 4 dock or the earlier iphone docks??|Thanks for your help. You saved me from purchasing the iphone 4 dock, since it costs AUS$39 as i live in Australia. I’ll look at purchasing the simplifi now.|I use my iphone to hook up to my home receiver using a 3.5mm jack that splits into the white/red ends. It has the same plug as headphones, but is not round at the base like headphones. Will the 3.5mm jack fit into the phone with the case on?|Oh no!!! I’ve just ordered this case… But I have Sennheiser branded earbuds with L shaped jack!!! What’s the model of yours??? I hope mine will fit in it!!!|Argh!! Mine are CX 300 II … Maybe the jack of series II is smaller?? I’ve compared them with the white Apple headphones and they are nearly the same size… I must measure them with a caliber when I find one!
    Anyway, I love them too!! Fantastic sound!!|Try a google search of Ist and 2nd series…|They seem to have a different jack… Yours Are a 1st or a 2nd series?? I can’t put links to the images here…|Yes, fortunately mine is different… But you can consider selling your on eBay or somewhere else to buy the II nd series… I love them… They’re great!! And in my opinion they also look better;-)|I have that exact case and am extremely happy with it. Yes the back has significant scratching on it (which I think came like that out of the box.)
    As far as the ringer switch is concerned, if I can get my fat sausage fingers to move that switch, then almost anybody can.
    In addition, it is the only case I could find that gave as much protection as it does without being oversized.|I bought this case along with my 4, and I’ve had (in less than a month)( they same scratching and button problems. My main complaint is that the case edge around the camera reflects the flash back toward the lens, resulting in blurry photos with t huge lens flare! And given how “durable” (read- hard to remove) the case is, it’s useless for those times when you really want to take a low-light photo.
    Of course, like any other case it doubles the bulk of the phone, which can be good or bad- I happen to like the extra heft as I’m prone to losing my phone in deep pockets.
    The stiffness of the shell leads me to feel as if I am going to snap my phone when I try to remove it, so I guess it’ll be on there for a while!|iMeshi Japanese food cases are suitable for the iPhone 3G, 3GS and the iPhone 4. They’re now available for $43.20 each on Strapya world. Just hit the “Buy now”|Super cute Hello Kitty Swarovski Crystal USB flash drive Hello Kitty gadgets are what we always welcome on AskAlexia.com. Here comes a super cute Hello Kitty USB flash drive|Kitty, a series of bags or cases which come with Kitty characters printed, are available for your iPhone 4, iPad, laptop and BlackBerry Bold 9700. The cases come in black which isn’t our favorite|Wow! Those are the most stylish iphone cases I’ve seen in a long while. Such whimsy!|You can never go wrong with Prada! I’ve always love them and YES I’ll definitely get this for my iPhone… (FB)|Hi hi Bagaholicboy! Would love to know how much is one? Love the red one!|If there were no changes to the price, it should be SGD270, but I’ll check again just to be sure. Check back again next week for more updates.|I don’t have an iPhone. So I’m considering it as an Xmas gift for someone who does!|How much is the one in croc? Got pic?|It is the same, except for the fact that there lots of new colours for the X’mas 2011 collection.|Thanks. I have a red one sitting on the shelf waiting for an iPhone4S… Ha! It looks so pretty that I couldn’t resist buying it first.|Can’t wait for the release of prices and also the X’mas gift collection!|Not a blue one? I always end up with blue… but yes, the orange is lush!|Are these covers (and all other Prada X’mas ’11 stuff) only available in Singapore? Please say no? LOL!|LOL! Of course not. They will be available at Prada boutiques worldwide I’m sure.|Hey BB! Would the iPhone covers be available in Prada’s signature “hot pink” too?|lovin’ the orange one! when will it be in stores?|they’re out in stores already! picked up a black one for myself!|Saw the yelllow one at Paragon! Swee ah!|Saw a blue one at paragon. Any idea if it fits iphone 3gs and if its on sale? Planning to get it as a Christmas gift for someone.|It will only fit the iPhone4/4S and some BB models. And no, because it is part of the permanent collection I doubt it will ever be discounted during the sale.|OMG… that is my favourite!!! Love Mr. Marc!|maybe i can buy for next year’s Christmas gifts?|Cool items! Why don’t they sell these at MJ stores here?|Don’t know. Something you got to ask Club21.|BB, sorry if this is a stupid question but these are not available for purchase online right? I can’t seem to find the purchase button.|You can buy selected Special Items online, but I think shipping now is only for the States. And the selection is really limited so I wouldn’t bother anyway.|I would be extremely happy if I can get my hands on the wallet! Hahaha…|Okay, I imagine that the ski tote will be a wonderful book bag (although god knows when I will need to carry books around again) and the wallet is just very nice (and affordable!).|I own the other version, and trust me when I say this, the tote will definitely overwhelm you. Best left to the tall and burly types.|I am so dying to lay my hands on the laminated cotton tote. I love the special item range, but really sad to know Spore don’t stock them.|Anyone looking to buy a selected range of the Special Items over at Hong Kong can head to down to the Marc By Marc Jacobs Flagship Store in Causeway Bay, Hong Kong. Don’t bother looking around the other stores in HK cause they don’t have them. And if you possibly want all of the special items, Bleeker Street at NY is the place to visit!|Hi there. Bumped into your great blog here when I googled Marc by Marc Jacob. Anyways, are the bags made in USA or France?|I’m pretty sure that the pieces from the Special Items collection are made in China. Or India.|I think i might have to get this and the iPad case… (FB)|Wow will it fit the iPhone 4? (FB)|From what I’ve been told, yes it will.|love both iphone and ipad cases from Prada!|Yea, luv tis case I first saw it in Urban last Friday|they fit in Blackberry Bold 9000? and 9700 as well? yay for this!|the shape is abit *hmmmmmm*, the deciding factor will be the price.|agreed with the shape being “hmm”. the bodyline of their ipad case transformed into the dimensions of a iphone 4 would’ve been *perfect*.|God, please let it be available in red…|I like! It’s on my must have list for this Christmas (FB)|I love Prada more and more. Please let it fit iPhone 4!!|Ok guys I checked again and I’ve been informed that the iPhone4 case will retail for SGD270 in SG.|BB, when will this be available? I so wanna get one. So sexy!|My friend holding one prada iphone 4 case from italy but its slightly different from the picture. It is rectangular in shape.|Hi there, when will the iphone cover and ipad be released in singapore?|P.S. you can get this from London airport for GBP77 (duty free)|I have had one of these on order at the Prada store since before Christmas… they still do not have them, and the SA said they may only get 4 or 5 !|what is the product code for this case???|i would like to get the prada iphone casing. how should i go about getting it?|You buy it direct for your local Prada store? I’m not selling anything here.|Where can I buy one of these skins? Can you post the link?|The thing with Paul Frank is that its ageless.
    With pop art designers, it looks like its for kids, but you take a look at the price tag or the artists and you realize some of the stuff is for adults.
    Totally go for the orange one, such a rich color.|but most of all: i’m glad you folded & are now an iPhone-owner.|Thanks! This really helps! For anyone interested, you can reduce the number of steps by downloading the beta version of audacity, which can allow you to directly export into .m4a. This would make it as easy as choosing a file, cutting, export, and rename!|I get lost at 4. with ffmpeg.. I can only gather that one has to have ffmpeg on their pc.. hmm and using run -> cmd It looks like a great guide except I can’t make the leap to part 4. in your guide.|I JUST got the I4 and I really this. Used Otterbox b4 on my 5 berry’s and this is a must have. Cant leave my new phone naked. Pick me.|i so need this! i drop my phone like its my job and i am so afraid that will do some damage to it i bought a different case but it didnt support the phone the way the otterbox looks like it would. I need a case that is me-proof!|YAY!! Looking forward to getting my Otterbox for my new Verizon iPhone!! Will they be available online only or in stores as well? If just online, how long does it take to ship & receive? Thanks so much!|Three reasons why my iphone needs protected.. 1. My three year old 2. My five year old. 3. My husband. I’ve had the phone for about 36 hours, and already, my family has been itching to play with it! It’s not that I don’t trust them.. Okay, I DON’T trust them.. Not yet anyways.. Not until I know my iphone is protected from the ones I love the most.|My iPhone can’t live without Otterbox protection, because it wants to be outdoors. I’m an active Boy Scout leader who enjoys participating in activities with my scouts. The Boy Scout motto is “Be Prepared”. With my Otterbox Defender, my iPhone is always prepared for any activity. Thanks for a great product!|I’m in the army and wherever my iPhone is with me it is getting beat up by the harshest climates. Endless hours in the field, only the otterbox cuts it.|My iphone 4 cannot live without its OtterBox because I can’t live without my grandchildren. The first thing they want to do when they see me is look at my pictures No Worries Otter keeeps their hands only in safe places.|I am in desperate need if an Otterbox, I have three girls ages 4, 2 and 1 who all fight over my iPhone. I can just picture it flying through the air one day in the middle of a power struggle and it landing on the ceramic tile!! I can honestly say that an Otterbox would be truly put to the test in my house!!!|You keep it up now, undresatnd? Really good to know.|I have never had an OtterBox before but my friends highly recommend it for such a brittle phone and I’ve seen it in action. It offers protection what a clumsy person like me needs to protect my newly acquired phone. I need one and I want one. That’s why I cannot live without an OtterBox defender.|My Iphone 4 can not live without otter box because of 2 amazing reasons.. There names are Ethan and Noah… My 3 and 1 year olds!!! Otterbox is the best protection ever for even the roughest little boys!!!|Car seats are to babies as Otterbox is to iPhones. You don’t just throw baby in the back seat and floor it (unless ur Brittney Spears).|the otterbox really rocks cause i drop my iphone around elephants, highways, warzones, & natural disasters. cant beat that protection.|I cannot live without OtterBox Protection because, it’s stylish, user friendly and I TRUST OtterBox that it will protect my iphone, when in any action that it may fell of my hands/pockets, it will protect my iphone without any harm.|I am a coordinated person but I’m a complete spaz- re: care for my phone. OtterBox protection will help to change my reputation as a spaz.|one of best phones by one of the best cases in the world|I must have the defender to protect my phone from my twin babies that get into everything and have broken 2 OtterBox-less phones already!|My iphone got here early! It’s so naked!!And so vulnerable to my let’s say a clumsy life! I need an otterbox SO FAST! No case that can match it!|I have 3 children and a klutz for a husband who all love my iphone. My soon to be one year old uses it as a chew toy any chance he has. My 3G wouldn’t have survived 2 years without an otterbox. (I continually recommend it to all my mommy friends.) I’m upgrading to the 4 and need the same level of protection.|My Iphone Cannot live without otterbox protection because I got 2 kids that love to drop my phone. Been few times its been knocked off the desk and I never worry because I know its got the protection of otterbox.|Well I have been patiently waiting for over 4 years to get the VZW iPhone and I will have it in my hands tomorrow morning! I need the Otterbox Defender so I can keep my iPhone safe and secure for a very long time. Sometimes I am a clutz and I drop my cell, but with the Defender I can rest easy knowing it will be protected from the shock of impact, along with the dust and humidity it is protected from.|My phone always seems to find it’s way to the bottom of my purse and it needs protection from that kitchen sink my husband says I carry in there.|iPhone 4, I’m made of glass; easy to break!
    I’m scared to death, there’s a lot at stake!
    It’s ok; I have no more fear,
    Because tomorrow my Otterbox Defender is here!|My iPhone needs an Otterbox b/c I’m a therapist for kids w/behavioral disorders & you never know when it’ll be thrown across the room!|The big question is when OtterBox cases will be available for the Verizon iPhone.|I too am waiting to hear from Otterbox on when the Verizon 4 defender cases will be available! Are they even working on new cases?|We will start evaluating options as soon as we can get a device, Tim. Keep an eye on our website or Facebook page for updates!|I want to ensure that I have a case for my new iPhone as soon as I get it. When will OtterBox be saying if the current cases will fit, or announce that they have a new one for Verizon models?|i just called and they are workin on it should be out in next couple weeks and in week able to get email updates about it
    also the case is slightly different for verison and att!|Hey Chris, the word i’m getting from the Verizon side is that there are minute modified adjustments in button placement. However, the word I’m getting from the Otterbox Representative is that the same otters are going to be in play for the VZW iPhone 4. But right now, I’m leaning towards my VZW informants who have ears higher up on the food chain than most.|I’m with everyone else. I’ve heard that otterbox is the case I should have for my verizon iphone. =)|I guess I will be purchasing a case from another company. Unfortunately, I can not wait months for them to make a case for Verizon’s Iphone 4 because I need a case immediately after I recieve my phone to protect it from scratches,drops, etc. Sucks! Does anyone know of any other good case companies?|My understanding is that the wait will not be that long, Kandy. I expect that many other companies are dealing with similar challenges as we: needing the device in hand to make sure we have a solution that will deliver the protection you expect!|Thanks for the responses. I agree with you Chelsee, I’ll purchase a temporary case from else where until I can purchase an otterbox, I just hope the wait isnt extremely long becuase I’ve heard so many good things about this company’s products.|i cant beleive otterbox does not know yet if there case will work|We know the existing option will NOT work for the Verizon iPhone. The buttons were moved just enough that we will need to make some changes to our cases to ensure the precision fit and amazing OtterBox protection. We are working to have options for the Verizon iPhone 4 available as soon after the launch as we can!|I bought a otter box on ebay for the ipgone 4 for Verizon can I switch it out for a iphone 4 otter box for Verizon.|You will have to contact the eBay dealer since your purchase was through them for a refund. OtterBox cases for the Verizon iPhone are not yet available, but we are working on them!|I was wondering if and when will OtterBox be coming out with a case for the new Verizon iphone 4?|We are working on options now and hope to have them available as soon after the device launches as we can. We have prioritized development of the Defender Series case, so that should be available first, with the Commuter Series and Impact Series cases available later|I plan on buying the otter case that’s already out for the iPhone. Walmart where I live have the defender series for 40 bucks which is a pretty good deal. And since it’s Walmart I can return it at anytime doesn’t hurt to try.|Do you know a time window of how long the defender will be available for verizon iphone after launch moreless?|I don’t, unfortunately. Much will depend on how quickly it passes testing, gets shipped & inspected, etc. For us (& our customers too), tomorrow wouldn’t be too soon, but we don’t want to rush quality!|Read all the other damn posts before asking stupid questions.|wow people, way to ask the same question over and over w/o ever reading “otterbox’s” responses… Got some real winners on this website|Yes, the only case (in my knowledge) that is available is the Case-Mate cases which are specifically designed for the Verizon iPhone 4. However, i do not like the designs and color choices of Case-Mate’s cases for the Verizon iPhone 4 and i hope you good people at Otterbox can deliver a top-notch product.|I have every confidence that we will have something that will wow’ you soon!|God is love, Rev Run. Bring on the iPhone4 Verizon case!|Why are there so many different otterbox cases being made for the verizon iphone 4? Will one protect better than the other or is it the style that differs?|We have several options because our customers are very different in their needs! Our Defender Series case is our highest level of protection, is fully enclosed and comes with a holster/belt clip. Next in line is our Commuter Series case: slightly less protection and a slimmer look. The Impact Series case is a durable single layer of bumper style protection.
    Hope this helps!|Definitely need a blue/white combo defender case for the Verizon iPhone.|Will the new verizon iphone 4 defenders have a tighter silicon case? I have read a lot of reviews that the current one is too loose. Thanks.|We have reworked the silicon for the current iPhone Defenders so that it doesn’t stretch as easily. This reworked silicon will make its way to the Verizon compatible cases as well!|Hey Otterbox! Thanks so much for working on this! I love your defender cases & would want nothing else for my first iphone.|Will the current defender case fit the Verizon iPhone? I really like the white and black. If not, when will a case be available?|No, the Verizon version is just enough different (buttons moved) that it won’t work. We are developing a case for the Verizon version now and hope to have it as soon after the phone launches as we can. We have prioritized development of the Defender Series, so we expect to have that one available first with the other options later on.|Ok. But will the defender come in multiple colors?|I am awaiting confirmation of that, Weslee. Initially I expect we will offer black, but we hope to have other options available as well.|Purchasing the Verizon Iphone at launch tomorrow…..Will Otterbox have the defender series in the next few days…Cant wait to long|Isn’t tomorrow just pre-order w/availability on 10th?
    Anyhow, we are working hard to have the Defender Series case available as soon after launch as we can. Our email notification sign up form went live today on our home page, so sign up!!|No, the pre-order that begins in about an hour is for existing customers only and those devices that are pre-ordered will be delivered to the purchaser on or before February 10th.Anxiously awaiting news of the new cases!!!|My iphone arrived YESTERDAY 2/7 so please hurry up Otterbox, I’m waiting!!|I am pre- ordering the iphone soon.. when do you think (if you gave an estimate) would be the time when the defender series would come out.. and will it have warranty on it if the iphone breaks inside the defender series you guys will replace the broken iphone with a new one for free?|If i have purchased a regular iPhone 4 case for the Verizon iPhone, can i exchange it for a Verizon iPhone case when they come out?|I am not sure how this works, iPhone owner. I would recommend giving our customer support Otters a call at 888.695.8820; they can assist you with next steps!|I just pre- ordered my verizon Iphone 4 32 G this morning but it won’t arrive until the 10th of Feb. So hurry, hurry hurry otterbox and get going I need a CASE!|Correct, it will not be available until 2/10. I just signed up for email notification of defender availability.
    I know you’re tired of addressing this, but…
    Will it be available before 3/10/11?|Unfortunately I don’t have an ETA to offer you… but we certainly hope so!|OtterBox: My fella is rough on his phone. His OtterBox Defender came as a promotional item when he got his Blackberry last summer. He is so impressed with it, not only does he insist every future phone of ours will have it, but he demonstrates to people who ask (and some who don’t) about his case. He has thrown it down many places and tossed it about on worksites to prove his point. At Christmas, he threw it down the aisle at Target to demonstrate why a lady who purchased two iPads as gifts should invest in the Otterbox product. She put down the flimsy cases he was holding, smiled and thanked him and verified where she could get hers and off she went.I am nervous to go long without a case but I will be extra, extra, extra careful with my new Verizon iPhone until OtterBox comes out with the Defender Case. Worth every penny!Thank you!P.S. So close to tracking down an OtterBox decal for his truck for how much he loves it.|I’m glad! We have tons of his Proud Papa OtterBox stories. He loves demonstrating how much of a BASOB OtterBox Defender cases are!And thank you! I am so excited! I have e-mailed you!|I’m a fan of the iPhone 4 cases where the leg (stand) pops out. My biggest issue is whether I should get a case for the iPhone 4S. I paid the $99 for the Apple Care + coverage which allows me up to 2 replacement handsets after paying the $49 deductible. If you factor in the cost of a good case ($40) plus invisible shield on the front/back ($35), you’re looking at spending $75 versus just paying the $50 deductible and having your phone replaced entirely. I think the third party case market for iPhones will take a hit if people start doing the math on the case/shield protections. Hopefully it’ll make companies lower their prices on cases and shields so we all win.|To whom this may concern,
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    can purchase them.|i want to buy cases for my iphone 4 kindly reply az soon az possible ..how to order ?|Where can I buy the Gucci iPhone Case Cover for iPhone 4 4G Sieve Design from as I cannot find it anywhere for sale?|F*ckin? remarkable things here. I am very happy to peer your post. Thanks a lot and i am having a look ahead to contact you. Will you kindly drop me a e-mail?|Very good and descriptive review.. Thanks for the review..|I never thought of it that way, well put!|I am really not as well accustomed to this subject but I do prefer to have a look at blogs for layout recommendations and fascinating topics. You seriously described a matter that I ordinarily do not care substantially about and created it fairly fascinating. That is a great blog that I will take note of. I already bookmarked it for long term reference.|Hi, this is a comment.
    To delete a comment, just log in and view the post’s comments. There you will have the option to edit or delete them.|Nice custom designs. I am saving money to buy iPhone, really excited about it :)|If i make a design for my iphone..can i print it? with wich materials… i will like to make it all myself! i have a skin for my iphone with one of my designs, but i had to send to some people specialized in printing that kind of skins.|Well it requires an adhesive to stick to the iPhone but you need to be careful that the adhesive won’t damage the phone casing itself. I don’t know of a specific guide, the stores exist because it’s easier.|These Iphone 4 skins are all so beautiful! I just love the Volcano one or Feather Brain or Festival, they are all amazing! ;)|Thanks.
    It was like making a pancake, easy and simple with the instructions mentioned.|You just HAD to pick Holiday didn’t you?|This works great! Thanks for the tip. I’ve been looking for something to do this.|This isn’t working for me. I can convert the songs based off the guide perfectly. It even shows up in Itunes under the Ringtones section but after doing the Sync, it’s not on the phone???|also covers mac and not just windows. Makes a lot of suggestions on how to fix things if ringtones don’t work right.|the longest ringtone you can have is actually 40 seconds. if it’s under 40 seconds, you are good.|GREAT TIP!! Current way of getting iPhone ringtones is ludicrous.
    Silly question but I hate having all these random files everywhere. ARe any of the converted files, etc, ok to trash?|So I can convert it to a ring tone easuly but it doesnt move intot he rigtones library it just goes to the music library. Help?|For those people who haven’t been able to get this to work:
    1) Have you made sure the ringtone is set to sync in the ringtone tab in the iPhone configuration?
    2) Are you sure you’re using a DRM-free song as stated in the instructions?|This doesn’t work for me in Vista. I drag the file over to Ringtones and it does not appear there. Sync is on. Any ideas?|God damn it, I tried it on my Gz one boulder and figured I had a shot, I’ve been screwing around with this for about a half an hour and have been trying to figure this thing out for 3! I’m watching tv. :/|thanks braden…i set all durations to less than 40 seconds and they automatically appear in the ringtone section of the iphone for syncing. i tried this before and dint work because i set the duration too long|Hmmm… This method doesn’t work with some of my audio files. Investigating…|This works great. Thank you for the article. One question though…For certain tunes, the volume was a little low, so I adjusted the volume and the equalizer on the piece I am interested in. But when I convert and change the extension to .m4r, the volume and equalizer adjustments dont seem to have been transferred…Is there a way to retain those in the ringtone or is it not possible ?|It doesn’t show up on the Iphone after conversion and syncing. And yes, I’ve made sure it’s selected for syncing. Any ideas???|And yes, I made sure the file extension was changed…..|As we pointed out in the article… the music has to be DRM-free in order for this to work. That means a lot of songs purchased from iTunes will not work.|I have tried this several time with NO luck, but I would LOVE to get this to figured out.|Song titles need to be short is another thing that should be noted. I was using the full file names and it wasn’t working, shortened them to 1 word names and they appeared on the phone when I resynced.|Works great, just like in the instructions. My ring tones a quiet though. Any way I can make them louder. I turned up the volume in my phone and moved the volume adjustment up to 100% in itunes but still quiet. I even played it in itunes and it even sounds softer than the origional. Any ideas?|For a last step, you should mention re-opening the original audio file and resetting the start and end times to play the full song properly again.|Got it to work! once I shorten the name as suggested by Zed.
    LJ Neal, look at the picture in step 4 above, the tools he is referring to is on you pc/laptop.
    Thanks again.|It worked! make sure you change the name of the ringtone to one word! I used the song Still Alive from portal, originally when i named it Portal Ring Tone it would not show up on my phone. After changing the name to just “portal” it worked!|Hi there,
    I got this to work with an mp3,
    a little bit of playing around was involved,
    but I got it to work with a 29 second edited mp3,
    and also I eddited out all the mp3s info in itune,
    eg album name, year or release and reclassified it as none,
    all of this was found in itunes under get info, info
    hope this helps|This only works in Win XP. Changing the file name extension does not work in Vista. Otherwise good job…|Sorry, if you’re on Vista go to Organize -> Folder and Search Options.|
    It works perfelly, thanks so mucho!!!!!!!!!!!|Very, very good TIP!!!! I am very happy with this one here! I do recommend…|i followed it, and it worked okay, my iphone synced, but now i cannot find the tone among the ringtones on my iphone… :S|I have made a bunch of ring tones thanks. I have discovered a few short cuts to your method|I just got it to work in Vista. Original mp3 is DRM free, I can name it whatever I like (no need for one word filenames), and it’s about 33 seconds long. The only thing you need to do… AFTER you have copied the file to your desktop and renamed the extension… delete the 30 second clip that you converted from mp3 to aac from your itunes library. Then import the ringtone that you created. Voila!|This works perfectly!!!
    THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!! I really appreciate it!!!!!!|I was having problems with this as well, until I read the comment about making the file name all one word. No spaces, no underscores. I removed the underscores from the files I was using, resynced, and they showed up as “custom ringtones” with the stock factory ringtones. works great now.|So let me get this right. I purchase a song fron itunes for use on my ipod and I want to turn that ALREADY purchased song into a ringtone I have to pay another .99 cents? That is a WRONG Apple, Wrong!
    I tried this and it didn’t work for me. Operator error maybe?? Did you explain somewhere what a DRM-free file is? I wasn’t sure what it was when I was reading your article; however, I still tried your method. I got an error message the minute I tried to convert to AAC saying that protected files could not be converted to ther formats. Does this have something to do with DRM-free or the lack of? Your advice on this is appreciated. Thanks|I have tried all the steps expect when i try to put the ringtone into my i tunes it does not work can somebody help me please|Thank you so much!!! You’re my savior!! And all those who mentioned changing the file name!! KUDOS!!|Thanks It works great It was easy to follow the instructions and I’m so happy I don’t have to pay $2 to itunes|i couldn’t get it to work (would show up in iTunes as a ringtone and on the iPhone in iTunes, but not in the ringtone menu). But, when I changed the first letter in the title to a capital it showed up on my iPhone and worked.|Perfect, my song had the track number at the begining so took it off and it worked for me (after 2 days of trying to do the whole process!!!) THANK YOU!!|I had the same problem of not getting the converted ringtone (a non-DRM, .m4r file that’s under 30 seconds) from the iTunes to the iPhone. I tried changing the name into a single word, and finally got it to work! Thank you!|i had heaps of trouble with this but as soon as i made the ringtone less than 40 seconds. it then showed up in my ringtone sync list and i even have new newest itunes.|I am new to iPhone, just got it few days ago. I am using iTunes 8. I couldn’t get step 7 to work. When I added file to lib, it is not listed. Anyone?|Just like Double07 above, I’ve downloaded iTunes 8 and I’ve also converted an mp3 to a m4a but then it’s automatically listed as a track in my music folder… instead of being considered as a ringtone…. Any help? Thanks!|Just like Double07 and ecco, I’ve got itunes 8 and windows vista. When I open the file it doesn’t have M4a in the file name to be able to rename it to M4r. Any help?|This works perfectly! Thank you for taking the time to lay out all the screen shots and go step by step. It even works on the September ’08 iTunes update v8.0.0.35! Thanks again, cheers!|does it work with itunes 8 and iphone 3g?|I’ve tried every tip on this site and I can’t get a 3rd song to appear in my custom folder on my iphone. I’m using Vista, iphone 2.1 and itunes 8.0.1. Please give me some hope.|Excellent tutorial! I just bought an iPhone and prior to that I had a SLVR. I used Audacity to make my own ringtones. I guess I could still kind of do it, using a combination of your tutorial and my own methods, but it’s a shame that Apple has to make simple stuff like this such a pain.|Ok all you Vista users. I figured it out. This is step by step!
    Open iTunes
    Goto Library and select Music
    Select Song
    Listen to song & note time where you want song to start(example 0:50)
    Stop Song
    Right click on song which should be highlighted
    Select GET INFO
    Select Options
    Fill in Start and Stop times (ie~ Start 0:50 Stop 1:20 (add 30 sec)
    Click on OK button
    Right click again on highlighted song
    Select CREATE AAC VERSION
    Highlight 30sec version of song which will appear either above or
    below the full version of the song
    Right click highlighted 30sec version
    Select SHOW IN WINDOWS EXPLORER (2 versions of the song will appear
    in Windows Explorer. Check size of file if you aren’t sure but
    ringtone 30sec version should already be lightly highlighted)
    Right click 30sec version
    Select RENAME
    Change .m4a to .m4r & you can also change the name of the song (get
    rid of any underscores, |asteriks, exlamation points, etc…)
    Hit ENTER
    Hit YES
    Go back to iTunes >Library >Music and highlight the 30sec version
    Right click and select DELETE
    Hit REMOVE
    Select RINGTONES under >Library section
    Go back to Windows Explorer where your .m4r file is located
    DOUBLE CLICK ON THE 30SEC .m4r SONG & IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY GO TO
    iTUNES RINGTONES FILE AND START PLAYING
    Stop song
    Goto FILE pull down menu
    Select SYNC “_____iPhone”
    While this is being done, you can select Devices ____iPhone which is
    located on the left hand side to view how your sync process is
    going
    Select Ringtones under Devices ____iPhone category to make sure
    ringtone file is there
    Now go and apply your new ringtone on your iPhone.|HELP!!! I was able to do everything that the instructions said for me to do and the new version of the song is in my “ringtone” section of iTunes. But there is only one problem…it isn’t showing up on my iPhone and yes, I have my iPhone set up to sync ringtones. I am stumped…and honestly I have been waiting to make this song into a ringtone for months now and finally today I got my first iPhone and am frusterated at the fact that I can’t get my ringtone to show up and work! Does anyone have any pointers or help that they can give??|Speaking of Audacity, check out DJ Nitrogen not free but it’s easy, works every time and uses the Audacity editor.|I am using 8.0035 itunes and 2.1 version on my iphone (I do NOT have the 3G)|How did you know which are the DRM free songs? I manage to convert some songs as ringtones but not others. What does DRM stands for? Please help:)|why cant we have full songs like any other phones?|You are SUPER SUPER GREAT!!!!! Thanks a whole bunch. I was suffering around the net and trying to find how to creat a ringtone and a lot of them show the same procedure like yours but they missed out one step which messed up the whole thing. And that step is that (Organize->Folder and Search option( on Vista) Uncheck the HIDE extensions. Overall….you’re a life saver|as far as i know it dosn’t work with the itunes v.8s so i dont know what to tell you post an answer if you have one|HOW TO GET FREE RINGTONES WITH ITUNES 8 AND THE 2.1 IPHONE FINALLY WORKS|Thanks alot! I think it’s completely unfair to have to pay AGAIN for the privilege of having a custom ringtone for a song you’ve already paid for. Thank you SIR!|I m using XP and has downloading the songs into my itunes (as what has been instructed). However i’m unable to sync into my iphone. HAve checked the boxes for syncing but still not in my iphone. What could have happended? Pls. help.|Like jefchen, I am using XP and have converted 5 files to ringtones btw, nice instruction set. Only one of the ringtones synced in iTunes. My iPhone folder, iTunes, shows them as on my phone and synced properly, but only one ringtone shows up in the menu on the iPhone. Ideas?|yay thanks alot this actually worked, i thought i had to have a jailbroken iphone for this even though it do.
    anyway thanks alot|SWEET! Thank god this actually works since Apple Canada hasn’t decided to start ripping us off here yet… I’d recommend converting to MP3, and using any editor that way, and then convert the file to m4a using something like MediaCoder(free) and then changing the file extension.|oh and yes that’s on a iPhone 3G (v2.1) using iTunes 8 and Windows XP and it works brilliantly!|I’m stuck. Can’t seem to work it out. Got the Iphone (not 3g) v2.1 and itunes 8 with a MAC. Can’t seem to be able to convert the file to AAC. I see most of the comments are for XP but does anyone know what do with a MAC OS X version 10.4.11. Please please help|You dont need to go through all that to get free iphone ringtones. i know of a site that i have been using that lets you make custom ringtones that are compatible with the iphone.|This is just what I need but for a while couldn’t get it to work.
    First how to I check if a song (from a bought CD) is DRM free?|I got everything to work, up until changing the ringtone on my iPhone. I saw a few other people had this problem too.|This worked great. One of the things I noticed is missing from the iphone is a NONE ringtone. I found a song that had a few seconds of dead air and selected that segment, followed the instructions and presto, I have a NONE ringtone that I can assign to nuisance callers! Thanks!|Now if I can just figure out how to keep iphone text messages from popping up automatically no matter what application I am on or even on the main menu, that would be fanstastic. Any suggestions??|i live in jamaica, i want to buy from the itunes store.i have a internal visa. but no us mailing adress.any suggestion?|this did not work for me. i tried for 2 hours now. I am giving up.|wow!!! Awesome Job.. Thank you very much this is the first time I’ve done stuff on my iphone and it works!!!! Excellent !!|Created the m4r file just fine with no spaces, starting with capital letter, etc. Shows up in ringtones folder in library, and in list of ringtone/sync all ringtones. After sync, though it is not showing up on my iphone ringtone library no custom folder, nothing. Help please!|THANK YOU (YES I’M SHOUTING!). Worked perfectly. Of course, the ringtones I wanted to make from purchased songs couldn’t be converted as they appear protected, which made me laugh, so I just went crazy converting loads of songs off cds. I’ve been searching since July for an easy step-by-step like yours. Very much appreciated ^^|Whenever I add my ringtone it deletes all of my music which is just lame. it says sync ringtone but all music and tv shows will be deleted. but it did work|Worked like a charm for me, Big Thanks for posting pictures too!!!
    using IPhone software 2.1|ummm… i have a really dumb question: how do you change a file extension on win xp? everything works great until the renaming. i can’t seem to figure out how to change the m4a to m4r. pleeeeese help, someone!|never mind… went back and reread the instructions and all is good!
    DUHHHHH!!!|Can anyone help me with this? I can do all of the steps listed above for Vista and it worked! But, I couldn’t get the ringtone to sync with my phone. It took me a while to see where ethe problem lies, but I can see it clearly now. Although I change the file name and extension (with no problem) in Windows, when it loads the ring tone back onto iTunes, it converts it back to the original file name (yes, I delete the original from the library before I double click the new one). The original file name has a space in it, so I cannot get it to sync. Does this mean the song might be DRM? I have no clue how to check that out. Thanks!|THIS WORKS LIKE A CHARM ON USING WINDOWS!!!!! THANX, I WUZN’T ABOUT 2 PAY A DOLLAR 4 EVERY RINGTONE ON A SONG THAT I ALREADY OWNED!!!
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  82. Horus is born from Isis, hardly a human virgin…
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